I agree with you mostly. I'm not saying that David Wolfe is ethical or unethical in his dealings. I just sugessted that some companies sell watered down products and some sell good products. All businesses have to be somewhat unethical. Otherwise they wont make money.

All that you read is programming. One's Experience is the greatest teacher.
My expreiance with the phytoplankton is as I stated on my previous post.
Most of us are victims, at some point.

Excellent observation!! You really captured it in that post. Once again money corrupting a good thing...

You're right But I wouldn't go as far as naming names because you just don't know.
David helped alot of people, including me. So if he does turn out to be a quack in a long run that doesn't change the fact that I've learned things from him and gained encouragement for personal growth.

The guy who supplies David Wolfes site with "Marine Phytoplankton" and the guy who was/is connected with the "ocean minerals" from Oz is the same guy. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets the ocean water from one source, the MP from another source, and mixes the two together in his house and then re-sells it on David Wolfes site.

YEP, YA HAVE SIMILAR CONNECTIONS AS I DO AND LETS JUST SAY, I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN PERSON, ETC....

Just my opinion.

(But I'm usually correct)
YA ARE, WE KNOW IT AND APPRECIATE IT...


When you get close to the top, all these guys run in the same circles. All looking for the next "big thing" all looking to out gimmick the next guy.

YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM AND THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMOUS, BUT THOSE READING THE INTERNET AND LISTENING THESE THESE GUYS, TRY TO MAKE THEM FAMOUS...FACTS ARE, THEY WILL NEVER GO DOWN IN HISTORY AND BE STUDIED 100 YEARS FROM NOW, SUCH AS I DO WITH OLD "REAL" FAMOUS AUTHORS THAT WERE NOT OUT TO MAKE AS MUCH $$$ AS POSSIBLE, BUT HAD REAL CLINICS, REAL SUCCESS STORIES AND GREED NOT THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THEIR BOOKS.

And make no mistake, it is all about the gimmicks. You have to create an image, a gimmick, an "edge" to you before the next guy does, or you will just be another face in the crowd. So grow your hair out, gauge your ears, wear boots from Peru so you stand out at the Health Expos!

SO TRUE, IF THESE GUYS DON'T COME UP WITH A NEW PRODUCT EVERY FEW MONTHS AND A NEW BOOK, THEY FADE AWA AS FAST AS THEY APPEARED, BECAUSE ANOTHER JUST LIKE THEM, WILL MOVE THEM ASIDE WITH A NEW PACK OF LIES AND FANCY WEB SITES TO LURE THE CROWDS THERE WAY!

This area of human endeavor draws a lot of fire, and much of it is well deserved.
AN AUTHOR IS OPEN "GAME", THEY PUT THEIR BOOK OUT THERE IF THEIR NAME TO IT AND IT CAN MAKE THEM OR BREAK THEM REAL FAST. THIS IS WHY I LIKE ONLY A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF BOOKS WRITTEN AFTER 1950, BECAUSE MOST TODAY HAVE A GIMMIC TO SALE OR THE AUTHOR IS SOME WHORE BEING PAID BY A COMPANY TO PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCTS... THE TRUTH THE LAST CONCERN OF THE AUTHOR.

How many YouTube videos have you seen of people who come out of the blue, delivering great information, and then...over time...you will see the same people sitting in front of a small crowd of faithful followers, the speaker illuminated by the glow of candles at his feet, expounding on his personal philosophy on where the whole damn world went wrong. "Ohhhs" and "Ahhhs" come forth from the small crowd, believing that they are being let in on some top secret information.
GLAD I DON'T WATCH MANY U-TUBES, THE FEW I HAVE WATCHED WAS THOSE SENT TO ME BY E-MAIL.

Where did it all go wrong?

I'll tell you where it went wrong.

COOL

It went wrong when good people with good information get appproached behind the scenes by silent partners and marketing companies.

YEP....$$$ DOES ALLOT OF TALKING IN THIS WORLD.

It went wrong when good people with good information run their course and their ego cannot quit, so they turn from a valuable informational resource into a Messiah like figure wearing ponytails and flowing clothing, blurting out unproven claims to an established audience that is so enamored with their personality that they will gobble up any BS that the person spews out of their mouth.

It goes wrong when good people with good information build trust with those who are looking for answers and then turn the trusting core audience into money machines, fleecing them with "jungle peanuts" and catchphrases like:

THE BEST DAY EVER, which others capitalize on and turn into THE BEST FOOD EVER, lets not forget THE BEST WEEKEND EVER, and of course THE BEST YEAR EVER!

YUP!!!!!!!!!!

The raw food/spring water/mushroom munching/alchemist/nature loving/tattooed/charismatic Messiah speaks in hushed tones and wide eyed enthusiasm to the captivated candle lit group before him, using speech patterns that hypnotically hold the viewer in rapt attention. Mixing established science with some bizarre personal views on where science is wrong and they are right, they deliver "cutting edge" information while the plate of cacao nibs and goji berries gets passed around the adoring throng!

WOULD SEEM SO...........


This is clever marketing, implemented by clever people, rotating around the publics desire to want to be a part of something greater than themselves. And there is no shortage of people willing to give it to you!

IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, WE JUST IDENTIFY THOSE TYPES AS "LIARS"...PEOPLE USE TO GO TO JAIL FOR SWINDLING PEOPLE OUT OF HARD EARNED $$$$, BUT TODAY, MOST PEOPLE EXPECT TO BE LIED TO AND GET RIPPED OFF..

Dont have any degree or formal education whatsoever in nutrition but still want to sell your homemeade concoctions? Call yourself an Alchemist! Call your products Elixirs! Tell people you have a Tibetian Monk who makes your formulas for you while meditating in a cave! Have your picture taken with you shirtless while mixing up your homemade formulas! Hygenic? No. Clever niche marketing? You bet!

Keep your shirt on my friend. Theres only room for one Diva in this house!


And That Is All.

TheADONIS

THANKS FOR THE GREAT POST
I HOPE YOU WEREN'T THINKING OF ME WHEN YOU MENTIONED HOME MADE, ETC...BUT IF YOU WERE, I AM STILL TRYING TO DO BETTER!

MH

Great post.
I somewhat alluded to the above points, but only and simply wanting to point out that there was a huge difference between him and Barefoot, certainly in terms of their 'operating' philosophy, and a few somewhat disagreed.

I agree strongly with your points. As one of the early authors in the internet modern raw food industry, he was great, but he definitely is more about the marketing. When it comes to the raw food diet, it should be pretty simple, and done right, there's not that much to it. And there are many versions of this. Some with "direct marketing" companies, others with elaborate membership sites. Others, like Barefoot, or Doug Graham, and a few others, are the real deal. Doing business, yes, but without the huckster/hype thing going on.

This is why MH pulled out of the "radioman" program. It was nothing at all against the host, who is a great guy, and great at what he does, but didn't want to be lumped in with most who have been on the show.

Moving on...