MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide 
myau
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Wondering what the difference in purpose is between Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and food grade hydrogen peroxide? does it not do just the same thing?
thanx- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide iloveamma
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This is a reply to # 1,390,192I totally asked this a few weeks ago when I first found about Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Do a search and you will find some threads on this.
I have taken internally hydrogen peroxide and I just started Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ...
I have gotten up to about 20 drops a day with hydrogen peroxide for a few months.
Hydrogen peroxide is NOT EVEN CLOSE TO Miracle-Mineral-Supplement !!! MMS IS WAYYYYYY stronger of an oxidizer! Not even in the same league in terms of results.
I use hydrogen peroxide daily to clean my veggies...but DRINKING IT..has SUCH a strong after taste, it is unbearable to me.
With MMS, you can mask it with juice...
MMS is in a class all its own and should not be compared to hydrogen peroxide. The other thing is that H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) goes out of your body in a short period of time..I think I remember like an hour...but MMS stays for 12 horus actively working!!!
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Suave21
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This is a reply to # 1,390,254Is it okay to as both hydrogen peroxide and mms for hsv1 I've read threads that it actually lowers the antibody count for herpes meaning it basically cures the herpes and u have no more outbreaks or skin shedding
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #154340
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This is a reply to # 1,390,254I thought I read that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement stays in the body for an hour, that is why you take a sip of it every hour for like eight or nine hours to keep it in your system.
I used hydrogen peroxide 35% I use a tablespoon I dilute it in just a little bit of water I rub DMSO all over my gums then I put the water peroxide mixture on it let it soak in deep hold in my mouth twenty minutes since that is supposed to be the number of minutes it takes to kill pathogens, then I spit it out. Of course I'm so careful I put a paper towel on the counter and put gloves on since it the hydrogen peroxide at this concentrated level burns and turns your skin white temporarily so use WITH CAUTION it is not anything like 3%- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #167419
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This is a reply to # 2,312,458Geez I would think using 35% H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) would just about remove the gums from your teeth. I'd dilute it with quite a bit of water actually. Hope you added 10 or 11 tablespoons of water to it. How did using nearly full strength peroxide effect your gums?
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #154340
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This is a reply to # 2,339,986HP food grade must be diluted down
like 1 drop to an one ounce of water. 10 drops in glass of water on empty stomach
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #154340
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This is a reply to # 2,312,45835% Hydrogen Peroxide MUST be diluted down so it doesn't burn you! Most people just buy the 3% which is ok.
I wanted some that was stronger and so I got 35% diluted it down with water.
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide ZazuZ
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This is a reply to # 2,344,6073% from store is not the same as diluted 35% food grade because the 3% at the store usually has stabilizers added which are not recommended for internal use.
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #154340
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This is a reply to # 2,344,607MMS Vs ASEA Vs Hydrogen Peroxide ( Food Grade)
I read ASEA which is safer, than Miracle-Mineral-Supplement because it is stabilized . They basically took Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and stabilized it. This company hired a top chemist cost over 50 million dollars to stabilize it . Now you see the interest in Miracle-Mineral-Supplement benefits they took something good and made it great. With MMS you have oxidation and free radicals if you can deal with no issues .. Do your own homework on this. This company quietly put ASEA on the market Which to choose ASEA over MMS ASEA is expensive 35 a bottle Yikes MMS is not. ASEA has a few products have to figure out which one . Of course MMS is cheaper , it always comes down to individual choice, and making an informed decision. Just letting people know it is out there, and a lot of research went into it. The taste does not bother me.. I don't expect medicinal stuff to taste anything close to a milkshake.
In my humble opinion, Food grade hydrogen peroxide 35% is safest, but it MUST be diluted down before use. Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide is clean it is used in bakeries so you want the right stuff. Never ever, buy HP from the drug store it is not pure I do not consider it safe. So, why chance it?
It is easiest to go to a naturopathic doctor and basically find out about Medical Grade hydrogen peroxide IV's my doctor always has a package deal Three things happen when you do this first is you get committed to program . Two, you save some money and third a professional is following your progress and you learn a thing or two in the process. My Medical Doctor did medical grade HP IV and UV light therapy in certain order for full effects so it does help to get a professional if you can. My medical insurance paid for mine
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide ZazuZ
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Suave21
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Johny Apple Bomb
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This is a reply to # 1,390,192They both are oxidizers but that's the one of the few things they have in common. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is a different molecule that oxidizes in a different way. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement oxidizes with the chlorine molecule instead of the oxygen. The oxygen is given off in a neutral state that doesn't oxidize.
More inf
http://mmsadvisor.com/?p=138
FROM BOOK
Normal levels of oxygen in the blood cannot destroy all of the
pathogens present under disease conditions, however, when chlorine
dioxide is adsorbed with the oxygen it is a different story. When a
chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen it instantly accepts
five electrons from the pathogen, or it might be more descriptive to
say that it instantly tears off five electrons. An extremely fast
chemical reaction is in essence an explosion, and this is exactly what
happens on a microscopic level. The damage to the pathogen is a
result of losing electrons to the chlorine ion and the release of energy.
The pathogen, basically, is oxidized by chlorine ions and as a part of
the action the chlorine becomes a harmless chloride (table salt). Two
atoms of oxygen are released as ions from the chlorine dioxide ion
but the oxygen has little effect other than to attach to hydrogen ions
making water or attach to a carbon ion to make carbon dioxide.
It is the process of the chlorine dioxide ion oxidizing pathogens or
other harmful chemicals that is beneficial to the body. Although the
two oxygen ions of the chlorine dioxide ion are released, their charge
level does not result in oxidation. The same process continues
throughout the body where chlorine dioxide ions contact pathogens.
It does not attack beneficial bacteria or healthy body parts, as their
pH is not below 7. It will also oxidize diseased cells, such as
infections or cancer. In the event that the chlorine dioxide does not
contact a pathogen or other poison, it deteriorates into table salt and
hypochlorous acid that is useable by the body.
The lymph nodes, for example, are one of the areas where the blood
normally releases oxygen to oxidize various poisons in the node and
then it carries the oxidized poisons away to the liver. The red blood
cells carry the chlorine dioxide ions the same as oxygen and thus
chlorine dioxide ions are also released in the lymph nodes. The
chlorine dioxide ions are inert to normal cells but they will destroy
disease pathogens found there.
A minute amount of naturally produced chlorine dioxide is found in
the human body, and one of the chemicals that chlorine dioxide
helps to create as it deteriorates is myeloperoxidase a chemical that
the immune system needs. The immune system uses this chemical,
myeloperoxidase, to generate hypochlorous acid. The body uses
hypochlorous acid extensively to kill parasites, bacteria, fungi,
viruses, tumor cells, natural killer cells, and to destroy some waste
products under normal conditions. However, diseases and body
conditions can result in a deficiency in the hypochlorous acid needed
to destroy the pathogens that are present. This is due to a medical
condition known as myeloperoxidase deficiency. In the case of many
other diseases there are other immune system reactions that can
overcome the diseases, however in the cases of malaria and other
extreme diseases, there is not enough hypochlorous acid to kill the
parasites or pathogens, nor are there any other immune system
reactions that can destroy them. Thus the hypochlorous acid created
by chlorine dioxide as it deteriorates in the body is probably another
mechanism by which malaria and other diseases are destroyed.
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,390,192MMS uses chlorine dioxide as an oxidizer. Hydrogen peroxide in my opinon is a much safer oxidizer and is more effective. Chlorine is actually a rather poor oxidizer. Reports in the Journal of Health form the 50s for example reported in one yaer over 80,000 cases of hepatitis transmission in chorinated drinking water. The chlorine compound used to "disinfect" water is chlorine dioxide. This is is why the more powerful oxidizers, such as ozone and potassium permaganate, are also used in water treatment these days since chlorine will not destroy many viruses in the presence of organic matter.
Here is a list of common oxidizers in order of strength:
Fluorine
Hydroxyl radical (OH)
Singlet oxygen
Ozone
Hydrogen Peroxide
Perhydroxyl radical
Potassium permanganate
Chlorine dioxide
Chlorine
Bromine
Iodine
Oxygen
Hydrogen peroxide is not only stronger as an oxidizer, but it also breaks down in to water and oxygen. So no toxic byproducts are formed and no chlorine is involved, which may react with organic compounds forming carcinogens (trihalomethanes), and can interfere with thyroid function.
Here is some information on the dangers of chlorine dioxide, which is used to chlorinate public water supplies.
I still feel that the safest oxidizers for health are ozone and hydrogen peroxide as long as they are used properly.- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,390,490Hello Hveragerthi,
While chlorine and chlorine dioxide both have chlorine in their names, only chlorine chlorinates.
Chlorine forms THM's, chlorine dioxide does not.
Chlorine is ineffective in the presence of organic materials, chlorine dioxide does not have this problem.
Chlorine is only effective in a narrow PH range, chlorine dioxide works over a wide PH range.
I would be interested in reading the Journal of Health issue that talked about these problems. In the 1950's I am not sure they understood the proper CT values needed for disinfection. Both chlorine and chlorine dioxide are effective against hepatitis, so something went wrong during the process. Do you have a link to the article?
Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes everything it comes into contact with. Chlorine dioxide does not oxidize healthy tissue, so it does less damage to living things.
The main reason other disinfection methods are used to purify drinking water is that they are cheaper, or less involved in day to day operation. Chlorine dioxide is more expensive, and the equipment operation requires adjustments for various microbial loads presented in the raw water. Often chlorine dioxide is used as a pretreatment to knock most of the load down, then it is followed up by other methods.
Tom- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,390,502As I have pointed out in previous posts the real reason chlorine dioxide is used over chlorine is because chlorine dioxide is 10 times more soluble in water than chlorine gas, and is a more effective oxidizer.
Here is a list I found of other advantages:
Strictly as a disinfectant, ClO2 offers the following advantages:
• Its bactericidal potential is relatively independent of the pH at between 4 and 10.
• It works better than chlorine for treating spores.
• It needs little contact time.
• It is quite soluble.
• No corrosion is produced at high concentrations, thus reducing maintenance costs.
• It does not react to ammonia or ammonium salts.
• It improves coagulation.
• It is better than chlorine for removing iron and manganese.
As I have also pointed out in previous posts, chlorine dioxide is not very stable and DOES NOT remain as chlorine dioxide when reacted on by other things such as sunlight or water:
http://www.msdshazcom.com/ATSDR/DOCS/wcd00000/wcd00066.pdf
And as far as your claim that chlorine dioxide does not create trihalomethanes (THMs), this is not quite true. Chlorine dioxide DOES create THMs, just to a lesser extent than chlorine.
There is a chart on the THM formation by chlorine dioxide showing lower production of THMs, but production none the less:
http://www.icais.org/pdf/22Wednesday/B/wed_b_e_pm/Matthias_Rothe.pdf
Some studies on THMs including toxicity an side effects:
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:226524
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,390,530Hello Hveragerthi,
In the presence of UV light, chlorine dioxide breaks down to chlorine and oxygen. This does not take place in closed loop systems.
The reason THM's are formed in the cooling systems of power plants is that the water is cooled in cooling towers that expose the chlorine dioxide in the water to UV light. This breaks down the chlorine dioxide to chlorine and oxygen, and the chlorine reaction forms THM's.
It is significant that the EPA limit for THM concentration is 80 PPB. You will notice that chlorine, at 1 PPM produces around 65 PPB, whereas chlorine dioxide, at the same 1 PPM only produces 0.8 PPB. In the Italian power plant, the design was to run 0.1 PPM, which would reduce the THM concentration to 0.08 PPB. They actually ran the plant a levels lower than that (0.05 PPM).
In Brazil the water had a higher microbial load, and they had to use a higher concentration of chlorine dioxide. Fortunately this was only for plant cooling and utility water. Drinking water standards would not allow this level because of the chlorite levels.
You will also note that in all of the studies the levels of THM's reported to cause problems were many times greater than the 0.8 PPB reported in the cooling water system. In a closed loop water treatment system, this level is further reduced, however the reduction, while near zero, is not completely eliminated.
Did you find the hepatitis article from the 1950's?
Tom- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,390,547You missed the part about where chlorite is formed by the reaction of chlorine dioxide on water. Chlorine dioxide is actually a gas, not a liquid. So what is really being bottled is chlorite. Even the website points this out:
http://mmsmiracle.com/
"Ingredients: 28% Sodium Chlorite Solution"
It does sound like you know enough about water treatment though to know that the THMs are produced by the reaction of these chlorine compounds on organic material. When talking about about water treatment there is a lot of pretreatment that is going to limit the amount of organic materials present before chlorination of any kind. This is VASTLY different than someone taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement with food, herbs, or even medications in their stomach. Do you have any studies showing the same low levels of THMs in people's tissues after taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement with any of these organic substances.
A few other things must be kept in mind. First of all THMs are fat soluble and accumulate in the body. Many poisons are cumulative and do not cause problems in the short term, but can lead to problems long term as they build up in the tissues. And there is the added absorption from what is present in our tap water that absorbs through the skin. I will stick to ozone or peroxide, which I know is safer.
I am still wondering how many people here are willing to drink tap water? After all it is also treated with chlorine dioxide forming chlorite. If the answer is not then I would like to know why. Tap water has chlorite, and in addition has beneficial minerals. And it is super inexpensive. So why not just drink tap water if you want to ingest chlorine compounds?
Yes, I did find the article. I was at the University library and ran across the journal in their used book sale. So I bought the journal for a few of the articles in there that I was interested in. I was really intrigued by that one especially since we were always taught that chlorine kills all pathogens in water. I later found other medical references that also found that chlorine did not kill the polio virus in the presence of feces. The research is out there. Just requires some looking.- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,390,561Hello Hveragerthi,
You are correct. Chlorine dioxide is always a gas. However, it can be dissolved in water under certain conditions.
Chlorine dioxide, in higher concentrations, is explosive and very dangerous. It can not be transported. To get around this, sodium chlorite is formed. Sodium chlorite is considered stabilized chlorine dioxide. Sodium chlorite can be transported, and when it is activated it will produce chlorine dioxide. The amount of chlorine dioxide available from a sodium chlorite solution is related to its concentration. A 5% sodium chlorite solution has 50000 PPM of available chlorine dioxide. A 28% solution has 280000 PPM available, and so on.
When the PH of the solution is neutral or acidic, chlorine dioxide does well as a gas. When the PH becomes alkaline, it breaks down to the chlorite ion (ClO2 -). It is more effective as a disinfectant as a gas, but it is still superior to chlorine as the chlorite ion.
As you have discovered, the higher the concentration of chlorine dioxide, the more of a chance that it will have a reaction with organic material and form THM's. I believe this is why Jim Humble pays lip service to the 1 PPM concentration in his suggested protocol, yet he overlooks this when you actually measure the concentrations involved. The meat packing industry has demonstrated that higher concentrations of chlorine dioxide will bleach tissues, but since the carcasses were dead, there was no study of the effects of the THM's produced.
Keep in mind that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement does not technically involve chlorine dioxide technologies. It is actually acidified sodium chlorite technology. There is quite a bit of difference, and there are no formal human studies involving acidified sodium chlorite ingestion by humans. The best you can do is review the information on the various forums, but most of these reports have not been evaluated by a medical professional, so we really don't know what is going on.
Tissue samples taken from animals subjected to high concentrations of chlorine dioxide gas (not similar to Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ) have not mentioned any build up of THM in them. However, I am not sure they looked...
The reason I asked about the article is that in the 1950's, people would throw chlorine and chlorine dioxide in together, and they didn't understand the differences between them. There were many cases of people getting sick from impure water, however I am not aware of any of those cases where chlorine dioxide was used as the main disinfectant. These cases lead to better filtering and settling to remove organic material from the water so the chlorination would be more effective. I have only been following water purification for about the past 30 years or so, and I haven't looked back beyond that. I may have to do a little digging into the archives myself.
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,390,490I'm in total agreement, with you.
regarding Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and safety. It is individual choice, but if you take MSS take Iodine to protect your thyroid
My integrative medical doctor did UVI light, followed with MEDICAL GRADE hydrogen peroxide IV'S with me. So, it is totally safe, Apparently, he considered hydrogen peroxide much safer, that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . And explained why which you have covered here
I felt much better with hydrogen peroxide IV's and I also did a series of ozone IV, and I seriously think Hydrogen peroxide for me was way more powerful
I'm taking FOOD GRADE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE that is one that is used in baked goods so it is SAFE. I diluted down to 3% and I worked my up to 10 drops and can go up to 25 drops, if you have side effects then you back down it might be die off, herx. response
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide SilverFox
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide myau
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This is a reply to # 1,390,192If Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and Hydrogen Peroxide both have similar properties as oxidizers.. even when they are taken orally, apparently they will only oxygenate the stomach area... as according to Dr. James Hutton.
you can watch this interesting video here:
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jhutton.htm
Dr. Hutton speaks more specifically about hydrogen peroxide and its use orally at around 25:15- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,392,775With peroxide it is not all about oxygenation. Ozone and peroxide are both oxygen sources and oxidizers, but they also have properties not derived from oxygen itself. For example, both ozone and hydrogen peroxide stimulate white blood cell activity. And both are more efficient than oxygen is destroying pathogens.
MMS is not an oxygen provider. Chlorine compounds work by releasing oxygen from water.- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide myau
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This is a reply to # 1,392,810Hveragerthi, is there any benefit to consuming Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ?
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,393,087I guess that would be a matter of opinion. I can think of a lot of things that would offer a benefit to a problem, but I still would not recommend. For example an acid blocker would have the benefit of reducing acid reflux but I would not recommend these. They give one benefit while creating other problems.
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #154340
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This is a reply to # 1,393,507A couple other ways to increase oxygen
is to talk to the MD convince him you need the hyperbaric chamber so he calls hospital if you meet the mile long criteria you may go to the hyperbaric chamber or you can buy one.
The other is ozone sauna a medical ozone steam sauna therapy which is nice you can buy one and use it at home
Ozone IV or peroxide IV the prices are high, unless you can cut a deal with the good doctor.
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide myau
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide Hveragerthi
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- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide #110121
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,390,192i'm lost too. i don't know which is better. i feel good with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement but i don't feel like it actively kills candida as well as h202.
- Re: MMS vs. Hydrogen Peroxide iloveamma
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