Candida, mercury, and zinc issues 
Cheshire77
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I have intestinal candidiasis and also suffer from chronic fatigue, insomnia and depression. A couple of months ago I had two Amalgams removed (with safe protocols), and since then my insomnia (early wakening) has been consistently worse.
I assume that removing the Amalgams resulted in some mercury being swallowed, and perhaps some mercury vapor inhaled. I am thinking maybe the Candida in my intestines has tranformed some of this inorganic mercury to methyl mercury, which has crossed into my brain causing neurotoxicity and insomnia.
I have recently trialled both selenium and zinc. The selenium caused immediate insomnia. I wonder if this was caused by the selenium chelating mercury from my tissues, which my Candida turned to methyl mercury, ultimately causing neurotoxicity and insomnia.
My experience with zinc continues to confound me. I have taken it for 3 weeks now. At first I experienced typical yeast die-off symptoms. Zinc is known to kill Candida and boost the immune response to fight Candida. Mercury is also known to suppress zinc in various organs in the body, and it is entirely possible that mercury was suppressing zinc in my intestinal mucosa, reducing my body's ability to ward off Candida. Taking supplemental zinc may well have replaced the missing zinc and 'kick-started' an immune response against Candida in my bowels, explaining the die-off symptoms.
Where it has taken a disturbing turn is that I am now experiencing a further deterioration in my insomnia, after 2-3 weeks of zinc. Note that zinc had no effect on my sleep for the first week or two. I am wondering what is going on. Have my levels of zinc increased to the point that it is chelating mercury from my organs, leading to insomnia via the process described above?
I have also read that it has been proven in a scientific trial that zinc mediates (facilitates) mercury neurotoxicity, and further, that chelating zinc from the body improves the symptoms of mercury toxicity. If true, then this might be the cause of my zinc related insomnia. This suggests I should avoid zinc supplementation completely until such time as I have chelated most of the mercury from my brain.
The way I see it at the moment, it is a bit of a Catch 22. One of the reasons I have candidiasis is because my cell mediated immunity is compromised by mercury induced zinc deficiency. Yet taking zinc releases mercury, which Candida changes to methyl mercury, which poisons my brain, and by a separate and additional process, zinc within the brain also worsens existing mercury neurotoxicity.
This is all a bit much for me right now. It is doing my head in. Does anyone understand what I'm saying and have any advice?
Maybe I should take some algae, like spirulina or chlorella. I don't want to stir up any mercury though until I get rid of the Candida in my gut.
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Tribu
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This is a reply to # 1,649,440Hi Cheshire77,
Sorry I can't help you with the mercury detox process and zinc deficiency: I'm just starting to research that part myself.
Do you take a good magnesiumsupplement? I noticed you suffer from Depression and insomnia, conditions magnesium can be incredibly helpful with. Candida depletes magnesium. Mercury depletes magnesium and selenium.
According to magnesium researcher George Eby, Magnesium taurate is the best for a depression. According to Carolyn Dean from her book the magnesium miracle:
Magnesium is important in the serotonin story because it is a necessary element in the release and uptake of serotonin by brain cells. With proper amounts of magnesium, nature makes sufficient serotonin and you experience emotional balance. But when stress depletes magnesium, a vicious cycle spins out of control, and Depression can occur. The body needs magnesium in order to release and bind adequate amounts of serotonin in the brain for balanced mental functioning.
Magnesium is also a great mineral for eliminating insomnia.
Magnesium also regulates neurotransmitters and hormones in general.
DHEA needs magnesium for its production. Glutathione is also stimulated by magnesium. Don't forget the 300+ enzymes magnesium activates.
Carolyn Dean: To invidualize your magnesium dosage, the rule of thumb is 3.0 to 4.5 mg/lb of body weight per day.
Don't forget things that deplete magnesium such as calcium and coffee. Calcium is important but the proper balance between calcium and magnesium is essential for good health.
Good luck,
Tribu
Dutch Girl :-)
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Cheshire77
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,649,503All good points re magnesium, but unfortunately magnesium always makes my Depression worse. Go figure!
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Cheshire77
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Count Blah
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This is a reply to # 1,649,440First you remove amalgams.
Anything that comes from the sea may contain mercury.
Calcium supplements come from the sea. Magnesium supplements come from the sea. Chlorella ,kelp,algae from the sea, etc.
You can get calcium from milk products or eggshells.
Magnesium makes me depressed,as do calcium supplements.
Same with zinc.
Avoiding things that do not agree with you is my advice. Do not take calcium supplements. Even milk with added calcium contains mercury!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Avoid multi vitamins.
ZERO FISH.
It seems to take 9 months for your body to adjust to not having a source of mercury. YOu may experience an up and down period between 5 and 9 months.
Blah.
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Cheshire77
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This is a reply to # 1,649,772
Magnesium makes me depressed,as do calcium supplements.
Same with zinc.Interesting. Those mineral supplements make me depressed too.
I can see the logic in your recommendations. Do you speak from experience, or is the advice of a particular practitioner? I really do hope things will get better after 6-9 months. I think Cutler says it takes a year or two to get over the worst post amalgam removal.
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Count Blah
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This is a reply to # 1,650,004I had 18 Amalgam fillings for 40 years replaced with gold in Mexico, no protocols except activated charcoal,alcohol,in 2004.
I was quite ill around the 5 to 9 month period. My theory is the body is adjusting to working without mercury.
I would recommend taking ALA 3 months after removal. It is cheap and harmless. Ala always made me feel better when I took it. DMSA always made me feel worse.
I havent used Algin, but it sounds like it might work.
Also I take high doses of Iodine and that might also be worth trying.- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Pema1
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... HarmonicCharge
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This is a reply to # 1,650,627Awesome.
What kind of Iodine do you take?
I take magnascent every day, but for hard core cleansing, I believe Lugol's can't be beat.
Thanks for your opinions on ALA and DMSA, I thought ALA was as harsh as DMSA.
I have to look up the difference btwn DMSA and DMSO.
Would you even bother with ALA if you still had some fillings left?
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Pema1
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Count Blah
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Cheshire77
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... cora
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This is a reply to # 1,649,440You need mercury binders. Eg.:
Selenium
http://www.mercuryfacts.org/fselenium.cfm
IP6
http://www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/showthread.php?t=766
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53264.html
Cilantro
http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/cilantro-chelation-therapy-heavy-metal-d...
http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/70.htm
Maybe try some cilanto/coriander pesto:
http://hubpages.com/hub/cilantro-chelates
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Bgone
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This is a reply to # 1,650,027Cilantro is not a mercury binder, in fact, quite the opposite. It will release mercury and if you do not have a binder, it will re-distribute it. Trust me, I had terrible re distribution when I tried cilantro + chlorella. While chlorella is a binder, it is also a mild chelator which means most the time it also re-distributes, just not as intensely as cilantro. The best BINDER which can be used with ALA, cilantro, chlorella, etc is algin. Algin absorbs heavy metals present in the blood stream, binds to them, and brings them to the digestive tract to be excreted. I highly recommend it! After I started supping with algin my distribution symptoms subsided. You can buy it here http://www.sunshine4health.com/algin-100-p-597.html
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Cheshire77
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This is a reply to # 1,650,512Algin sounds like the perfect product. I wish I had used it when I had my Amalgams out!
I am about to undergo a long antifungal regime. I would like to take algin, but I'm a bit worried it will mop up or block much of the antifungals.
I believe I have a mercury problem and a Candida problem. Michael Biamonte says it is best to deal with the Candida problem first, then chelate. I tend to agree with this, although I'm not 100% sure. Algin's a bit different though, because it doesn't seem to stir up mercury, so I would like to take it with antifungals. Perhaps I can just try to separate them as much as possible. Maybe take the algin an hour before meals and the antifungals after meals.- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... MOMMYTOJORDAN
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This is a reply to # 1,650,733See I have heard just the opposite, that until you get rid of the mercury the candida will never go away. So I am working on the mercury first. I am doing frequent dose chelation using Andy Cutler's program.
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... dvjorge
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,651,243The reason you need to chelate Mercury is because Mercury will keep you in a chronic TH 2 response. Until you don't chelate it your immune system doesn't have chance to recover and get a proper balance. Mercury affects Cell-mediated immunity. Th1 and Th 17.
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Bgone
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This is a reply to # 1,651,263Yes, I'm hoping that with mercury chelation my immune system will re-balance itself and take care of the candida on it's own. I think that chelation + kefir + alkalizing should take care of it. I did go on the diet for like two weeks to dim the candida down but now I'm off it and eating pretty much everything lol
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Bgone
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... Cheshire77
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This is a reply to # 1,651,243One can easily argue either way, whether to address Candida or mercury first, so I'm not going to say I'm right and you're wrong. It may well depend on the individual. I think my problems are more Candida than mercury, although it is entirely possible that the Candida problem was caused by mercury.
I do agree that even if I am successful in controlling Candida with an effective antifungal protocol, I will likely relapse unless I rebuild my immunity, and I believe a big part of this is mercury detox. However this may take years if done slowly, as it should. I think I will be able to tolerate this detox process a whole lot better if I have Candida under control.
However I did remove all my Amalgam fillings a couple of months ago, so at least I know in the long term my mercury levels should gradually decline anyway. Some people notice a huge improvement without chelating.
After carefully re-analyzing my daily records, and making allowances for other supplements etc, I have changed my earlier stated view that my sleep has been consistently worse since Amalgam removal. I now estimate it cost me 40 mins/night for the first 3 weeks post removal, 20 mins/night for the next 3 weeks, and now, 9 weeks post removal I think my sleep is on a par to how it was prior to Amalgam removal. Being an optimist by nature, I'm now hoping my sleep (and other mercury related symptoms) will keep improving and I will soon be on the positive side of the ledger!
BTW, I've decided not to take any more zinc until I start detoxing mercury. I just think zinc stirs mercury up too much and I don't want to do that while killing Candida. I also found out the hard way that this is 10x more true with zinc picolinate. Picolinic acid is the body's natural chelator, and I think when taken with zinc it not only increases zinc absorption by the bowel, but mercury as well. In addition to zinc and picolinic acid being heavy metal chelators, zinc increases metallothionein (MT), and MT unbinds mercury, then the picolinic acid assists mercury to be absorbed into the bloodstream. Seems picolinic acid assists absorption of most metal ions, not just zinc. Nasty! Had several sleepless nights before I worked this one out. :)- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... tmary
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This is a reply to # 1,651,360And can I just say that it is true that you need to clear the mercury 1st. The whole reason that most people have candida is because of a mercury overload, unless you have a copper deficiency or Aids or Cancer, or some other immune depleting disease.
. It has been claimed that the prevalence of Candida in mercury patients is the body’s reaction to the metal and it over produces yeast and abnormal flora in the intestinal tract to "chelate" the metal and protect the body.
Not sure if this part is true. Think it hold onto the yeast for us and protects us from it
What IS known is that mercury causes the production of abnormal flora, particularly anti-biotic resistant flora, which allows Candida to set up shop and go nuts.
So this is why the mercury needs to be detoxed in order to eliminate the yeast. Some believe, like the makers of NDF and such, that if you kill the yeast 1st it will release it into the bloodstream and it will re-deposit in the organs. Who knows.
All I know is that I spent 10 years trying to get rid of the yeast and until I started focusing on the Mercury nothing good happened for me. Imagine the yeast diet for 20 years and you'll go crazy!
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... tmary
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... dvjorge
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... bigdaddyfromcincinnati
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This is a reply to # 1,650,733I was on this program for 20 months and spent $20,000.00. It never got rid of my candida. he also missed the fact that I have mercury toxicity. three years later I went to a doctor that found my mercury poisoning. I would not recomend biamonte or danielle. they both told me things that were not true. they took complete advantage of me...
- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... MOMMYTOJORDAN
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- Re: Candida, mercury, and zinc issue... endcandida
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This is a reply to # 1,650,512I'm glad you mentioned this about cilantro. One of my friends had severe and permanent damage from cilantro tincture. According to Dr. Mercola, about 1/3 of people are allergic or sensitive to chlorella. I don't consider either to be a safe chelator.
I used NCD zeolite to quickly and safely get rid of a huge body burden of mercury in both my daughter and myself.
Here's a sale site: http://www.zeolite.org/sale.
Not sure how long this will last but for now it's the cheapest place to buy it. My brain fog cleared in less than ten days. It will not irritate the organs or rob the body of minerals like other chelation methods like DMPS do and it's a fraction of the cost of chelation.
Our organs were so compromised that the chelation doc wouldn't treat us for fear of permanent damage. This is nothing to mess around with or take chances with. Many docs don't even test you first! Zeolite, on the other hand is safe enough even for pregnant and nursing mothers to use.
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