Undecenoic acid is different than calcium undecyclenate:
I have taken both forms and notice that the undecenoic acid seems more effective in combating the fungal candida than the undecyclenate salt form. Although the salt form seems more gentle on the GI tract. The salt form might work ok for people that have more candida in its "yeast' form, but for people that have more "fungal" candida the non-salt form seems to work better in a wider PH range.
There are much better thorough tests for candida than the spit test.
1. Alt. Medicine is Thorne's production - THEY own it!! it is their INFOMERCIAL!!
DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE...????? THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS!!!
THAT THE SALT VERSION IS AN EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE - A BETTER ONE ACTUALLY DUE TO TASTE!!!
THEN A FEW PARAGRAPHS LATER THEY SAY THE ACID IS SLIGHTLY MORE EFFECTIVE IS ph IS ABOVE 6.0
YOUR DIET WILL CONTROL THIS..THIS IS WHY DIET IS 90% !!!!!
DID YOU READ THE ORIGINAL ARTICLES THEY USED IN THIS SECTION.......? ONE IS 30 + YEARS OLD!!! IT IS ONE STUDY AND THE STUDY SHOW SMALL - VERY SMALL DIFFERENCE - PRACTICALLY IRRELEVANT FROM A CLINICALLY SIGNIFICANT POINT..AND ONLY ONE ARTICLE.....ONE ARTICLE -
THE OTHER STUDY IS FROM 1938!!!!!! THAT 75 YEARS OLD!!!!
JAMES: DID YOU PERFORM YOUR STUDY IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT?
DID YOU CONTROL - I MEAN PERFECTLY ENSURE ALL YOUR LIFESTYLE VARIABLES WERE SAME?
EXACT DIET EVERY DAY, EXACT EXERCISE REGIME...EXACT STRESS LEVELS....AND SO ON...? FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD????
IF SO, REPEAT HUNDRED TIMES AND THEN GET 100 MORE PEOPLE TO REPEAT HUNRED TIMES - UNDER A DOUBLE BLIND PROCESS - THEN WE CAN BEGIN TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS.....
PLUS - THE ACID IS WAY HARDER ON KIDNEYS AND STOMOACH - BETTER FOR TOPICAL CREAM - GO WITH THE SALT FOR INGESTION
OF OCURSE IF YOU WANT TO BLOW ALL YOUR MONEY TO SUPPORT A MEGA RICH EVIL COMPANY THAT RELIES ON ONE STUDY - YES ONE STUDY - FROM 1938 AND REALLY HURT YOUR KINDEYS IN THE PROCESS
THEN YOU ARE THE PERFECT GUY TO HELP DR. JEFF BUY HIS 4TH LUXURY VEHICLE.....HIS MECHANIC WILL OVE YOU!!! YOUR WALLET, YOUR KIDNEYS WILL HATE YOU
AND THE CANDIDA...WELL IT DOESNT MATTER TO THEM AS THEY BOTH WORK JUST AS WELL..SO DOES BLEACH BY THE WAY.....
SORRY FOR THE CAP LOCKS....STUCK FOR SOME REASON!!!
Whats been your experience with both?
I had to stop doing the acid forms because it was irritating my gut too much. For some reason it seemed to be overstimulating my liver as well. The salt forms don't seem to give those issues. But I haven't tried the salt forms long enough to get a good evaluation.
For the short time I took undecenoic acid it did seem to work a little better than the salts, but its not worth the gut/liver aggravation. I remember Dr. Jeff stating that many of his clients received better results with the acid form than the salt form. It would be interesting what Dr. Baker's clients results have been with both forms.
The one aspect of the thorne product i don't quite understand is them adding HCl to it thinking that will make the product more effective. Seems like the hcl that they add to it would get nuetralized by bicarbonates in the duodenum. For some reason they think that the HCL will be slowly released throughout the gi tract. I don't know if i can exactly agreee with that.
Dr. Jeff is very knowlegable and helpful in answering questions. Comments made about his luxury are unnecessary.