First off... let me congratulate you on your first decent rebuttal.
"And the Kenyan runners are not eating a lot of animal protein or their protein ratio would be a lot higher than 10.1%. The bulk of their diet is corn, rice, and plain ol refined White Sugar . Any of that stuff Paleo?!"
Very good, however it still doesn't take away from the fact that they are eating lots of meat and milk during the week. So its not paleo, and its not vegan. But since it clearly has meat and dairy, it becomes an omnivore diet, which means it leans more towards Paleo. Also Paleo doesn't mean the bulk of the diet comes from animal protein, paleo means to eat like our ancestors did. Sometimes they ate lots of meat, sometimes they ate lots of fruit, sometimes they ate lots of veggies. The point isn't the percentage of meat they ate, but the fact they ate it. A person is only a vegan as long as they don't eat animal proteins in their diet, once they do... they become a vegetarian or meat eater.
"Sigh. Let me set you straight. 80-10-10 is a macronutrient ratio, just like 40-30-30 that's promoted by the Zone diet. Just because one vegan, Doug Graham, calls his particular raw diet "80-10-10" doesn't mean the definition of 80-10-10 has changed to exclusively mean a raw vegan diet, just like eating a 40-30-30 ratio doesn't necessarily mean you're following the Zone diet as you can eat that ratio as a vegan."
Look its quite very clear that 801010 is not just "macronutrient ratio", when it is sourced from raw veganism. When you say 801010, you are implying veganism... PERIOD!!! You made a good point for high endurance athletes winning by eating lots of carbs, but you also implied they were eating vegan by calling it 801010 which they aren't. You keep saying 801010 is winning, but its not. 801010 is NOT! winning. If you said "High Carb low fat Omnivore" is winning then I would buy your argument. But again you like distort the facts.
Doug Graham even says it himself about the term:
"'80-10-10' is a caloro-nutrient ratio. It's about consuming more than 80% of your calories from carbs and less than 10% of your calories from protein and fat. '80-10-10' may not be strictly, closed-in and defined in such a way that only the 'elite' can follow it."
It doesn't matter what Doug Graham says about it. 801010 is associated with raw food veganism. Do a google search of 801010 and see if you find on the first page anything saying that 801010 is omnivore.
"So I'm not lying. You're just making yourself look like a fool with your ignorance and what seems like a deep hatred of some sorts towards vegans. "
Yes you are still lying, you just wont admit it. Its not my hating vegans that is going on here. When I keep on exposing that 801010 is vegan, its not me attacking vegans. Its me exposing all your lies and the flaws in your arguements. Then when I do this you say that I am attacking vegans, and play the victim. This is a liberal tactic these days, IE: if you insult the president or his policies you are clearly a racist. I have lots of vegan buddhist friends, never have I attacked any of them. The only thing I keep on doing is blowing apart your arguements and exposing you, and it upsets you.
But here is the thing Natway... your not clever, you think you are.. but your not. You think everyone doesn't see through your attempts to snow ball people, but they do.
Ok, let me try again. I know this can be difficult for you, but again, I never said that you said that the sole reason for the Kenyans dominance in marathons was their diet. You IMPLIED that I said that. Then you ASSUMED that I'm making an ass out of myself, because as many others are saying here, you make a lot of assumptions.
Once again, you are assuming that wiredgeneration is my "friend" which he/she is not, and you are also assuming that I should believe that whatever this person says is fact. Just because wiredgeneration says that you are a male named Nate, does not make it true.
I said before that it was something about the writing style that impressed me as female, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know what at least part of it is. It's the use of "lol" in the messages. I happen to be part of the male community that believes that men should not use emoticons like smiley faces and "lol" because it's considered feminine. I'm sorry if I'm insulting anyone here but my immediate reaction when I see "lol" in a message is that the author is female. I rarely see it used by guys in emails and text messages, especially in public messages.
By slinging insults you're only discrediting yourself. Based upon the number of forums from which you've been banned, I'm guessing that I'm not alone in this sentiment.
I feel for ya Fectoid, I have been debating back and for with natway in private messages for a week now. In that week I have figured out the three stage process that he likes to use when debating.
IE: Worlds best endurance athletes eat 80-10-10 ratio
IE: If your low-carb Paleo diet is so great, were are all the world-class Paleo runners? Why aren't they winning all these pro marathons? Why haven't the Kenyans and others switched to Paleo if it's such a superior diet?
"Because she had a history of under-eating on her vegan diet:
"How do you know it wasn't protocols 3-8 that did the trick?"
"So either you're lying about what you assumed my name was, or you have really poor mental cognition which is not unusual for people on low-carb diets, like Paleo."
"If you're talking about David Wolfe, he's the biggest snake oilsalesmen out there hopped up on the stimulant crackau. He's even quoted as saying he's probably the "wealthiest hippy on earth". Go to 1:25
Daniel Vitalis is another big Paleo-guru snake oil salesman. He's paleo because like Denise Minger, he under-ate on a vegan diet and blames the diet. Now he says eat meat, drink colostrum, and buy my supplements!
Don't know Daniel Amen, but looked him up and he sells his only line of supplements. BIG RED FLAG!
Mark Sisson was an elite athlete on a carb diet. Now he uses steroids to get that big and ripped and also sells supplements which doesn't bode well for his "Primal" diet. Grok didn't use supplements lol."
"Yes, I do criticize snake oil salesmen, especially the one's who don't disclaim that they use steriods. You find those kind of people acceptable?"
Have no evidence that they are snake oil salesmen, they are actually helping people. YOU have no evidence that Mark Scisson uses steroids. Again more criticism without any PROOF. More of the typical Natway.
"Tell me, why is it mostly the Paleo orientated people who are the one's selling tons of supplements and not the people who advocate a low-fat/plant-based diet? That doesn't bode well for your diet."
There are suppliments sold from EVERY type of field in regards to diet. Its not mostly paleo... if anything its mostly vegan suppliments. Go to your local healthfood store and what do you see... herbs, plants, oils, tinctures. Do you see meat suppliments, the answer is NEVER! Where do you get this information from? Do you just think something and then put it out as fact... your opinion is not FACT! Again more of the the same from Natway.
"I showed you evidence about the ex-vegans here all under-ate, including Paleo-queen Denise Minger. Don't blame me because you are so biased towards your Paleo diet that you refuse to accept the evidence, even when Ms. Minger said on her own blog that "I was not eating nearly enough".
It wasn't AT ALL evidence. Do I need to post the dialogue between myself and yourself to show the non evidence that you claim as evidence. I have no problem doing that. She had MALNOURISHMENT which was discovered by REAL DOCTORS. Which was resolved when she went PALEO. But again, more of the same from Natway.
"Remember in your PM's to me where you basically said I have cult-like behavior, concepts are difficult for me to grasp, the credibility of my character is in question, and told me enough lies? Do those fall into the criticize and insult as frequently as possible category?"
What I am doing is not generating insults, what I am doing is calling a spade a spade. See the problem is you do all the things I am saying, and then I expose it. Then you claim to be the victim when I expose you, and its all by your own hand.
The reason I say you have a cult like behavior is because when Denise Minger and others left veganism for paleo, and got well. You attacked them. Thats what cults do, they attack the people that leave.
See I actually look forward to speaking with someone who doesn't agree with paleo and has excellent reasons as to why... and can proove it. Not so I can debate them, but so that I can learn from them. But with you there is nothing to learn.