Kefir makes me sick 
Yakumo
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Hi guys. I have candida and general bad bowel flora. I was trying to fix it with kefir, but the kefir seems to make me worse! I get an inflamed throat and all kinds of misery when I start drinking enough of it. Unless I drink only like a 100mL or so in a day. But I'm not convinced it's therapeutic for bowel dysbiosis in those quantities.
Any ideas?- Re: Kefir makes me sick #54319
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MoreThis is a reply to # 659,289Have you tried applying the Kefir in an enema form. THere is good deal on this in Dom Kefir website under FAQ. Check it out.
Cheers
- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,290Not gonna happen.
I had a bad experience with enemas once. Rectal bleeding kind of freaks you out
- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick hippeesandee
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This is a reply to # 659,289Did it really make you sick, or did you just not like the taste of it... I consider taking Kefir is like sending in an army to take a stance.... It is sometimes a slow process, but the good guys eventually take hold and your intestines will thank you for that
HippeeSandee- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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MoreThis is a reply to # 659,293No, I love the taste! I would drink litres of the stuff a day if I could.
It makes me genuinely ill: sore throat, swollen glands, white-coated tongue, fatigue, general malaise. Very unpleasant. Unless I have it in SMALL quantities, but then I'm not sure it's beneficial.- Re: Kefir makes me sick #39736
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This is a reply to # 659,294How long have you been drinking it? Some people just need to start off slow... only have a bit at first and gradually increase the amount.
- Re: Kefir makes me sick hippeesandee
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This is a reply to # 659,294Honey, just start with small quantities.... Gotta do baby steps, your body doesn't like the state it is in, but it is used to it.... Kefir are the good guys.... There will be a battle, just let the good guys take hold.... The road to health isn't easy but it is worth the fight..... You know when you are on the road to getting healthy, your body will try to reject what you are doing..... You have to keep going forward.... You are out of your comfort zone.... It is worth it.... You are gong to hurt, you are going to be grouchy, you are going to be angry.... This is denial.... Just remember Kefir is your friend it will back you it will die for you... So let it do battle for you.... It really is worth the discomfort, aggravation etc... Once Kefir is established and taken command you will feel 100% better... Take my word,,, It is nicer to feel better
Hippeesandee
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,297Hmmm. You make a good point HippeeSandee (like the name, btw :-)
I think I'll try just take like 100mL or less a day for a month or so and see if I can handle that much.
I do indeed feel best when I continue obviously unhealthy practices such as an all-meat diet. When I start giving my body what it wants, I tend to get sick. Maybe I just gotta push through. It really messes up my work though.
Anyway, my plan is to just take a ridiculous number of probiotics. EM-1, fermented veggies, some prebiotic fiber and lignans, retueri.... I want to make the candida feel outnumbered. I was trying to kill it with antifungals and stuff, but it just doesn't seem to work. Even sporanox.
Thanks for the advice. Can I ask, how much Kefir do you think I should take to start and how should I scale it? Should I "ripen" it for several days before consumption to reduce the lactose? This is what I generally do, although alcohol content increases I think.
Btw, I am not Asian. Yakumo is the name of my favourite anime character from 3x3 Eyes :-) I don't have a problem with dairy in general (I can tolerate endless amounts of cheese and lots of whey protein).
- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,298Yeah, I'm going to try fermented vegetables too. I tried fermented grape juice, but the alcohol content always got too high.
I am also getting some EM-1 culture. Going to try that.
I'm not sure what it is about the milk. Maybe it is true I rushed it and took too much too fast. In any event, I'm kind of scared of it now because it really did make me feel VERY unwell. Going to give Kimchi, sauerkraut (probably wihout salt) and EM-1 + some commerical probiotic tabs a chance.
Thanks for the feedback guys
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,310Thanks for the response! Love the web page!
I'm planning on making fermented things a major part of my diet. I just got my first batch of EM-1 stock yesterday which I plan on taking daily (won't try the AEM extension till I feel more confident about handling small amount of sugar). Going to kefir-ferment cabbage, tomato-juice, all kinds of stuff. Will probably have just 1 Tbsp of kefir daily - I find it only makes me sick if I have it in what I term "therapeutic" quantities.
Good think I love the taste of fermented food!
Thanks for the advice. I had no idea about primal defense. Can't afford it anyway.- Re: Kefir makes me sick #56070
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,312I first read about it on a fermented foods website. Then I met a local guy who actually imports the stuff. Dirt cheap! They use it for agriculture mainly, but it's starting to make inroads into the local health market. I actually want to try ferment my own, but for now I'm just purchasing starter and drinking that. Apparently it's a pretty awesome product. But I've only heard good things about kefir too. I must try get my kefir in somehow. My new plan is to ferment freshly squeezed tomatoes with kefir grains and drink that. Low sugar, so it shouldn't get too alcoholic. I used to ferment commercial tomato juice, but it's always mixed with salt and the salt ended up really hampering the development of the microflora and eventually the grains seemed to basically die (still alive, but struggling).
I want to try make kraut using both kefir grains and EM starter.
I wish I could get grainfields here. I know some people in oz, maybe I'll organise some some time. I'd actually prefer to get grainfields products than their starter culture. Looks amazingly healthy
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,316I live in South Africa. I was surprised at even being able to get Kefir grains and EM in such a backward place! But I do know a guy who goes to Australia sometimes. Next time, I will try get some grainfields "greens". Amazing-sounding product.
Wow! Just gave me a Great idea! I can ferment wheat grass juice!! That should be healthy. Although I think by the time it's fermented, much of what makes wheatgrass beneficial will be dead. Hmmm, gotta find a local wheatgrass supplier... I already got the juicer- Re: Kefir makes me sick #56070
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Yakumo
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This is a reply to # 659,318The organic/health thing here is still something of a "fad". It's REALLY hard to get organic food and virtually impossible to get organic meat where I live. Bummer.
Where u from, the US? My sister is moving there soon. Maybe it'll make it easier for me to get hardcore stuff...- Re: Kefir makes me sick #56070
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- Re: Kefir makes me sick Celtic_Rose
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This is a reply to # 659,320I just started taking Kefir last night. I'm extremely hypersensitive and get detox symptoms whenever I start a new healing regime. Knowing this I only took a 1/2 teaspoon. I did get some mild detox symptoms but they were quite bearable. I will stay with 1/2 teaspoon or so until the detox symptoms subside. Then I will increase the dose extremely slowly. (When I started taking apple cider vinegar I worked my way up one drop at a time! I'm up to 68 drops now!)
You mentioned that you don't think drinking a very small amount of Kefir will do any good. If you are experiencing detox symptoms that is a sign that it is working! It's killing the bad bacteria, etc. and you are experiencing the side effects from this "healing" as the "bad guys" leave your system. This is a sign that even a very tiny amount is beneficial.
I would stop the Kefir for a few days to let the action subside in your system. Then start again with the smallest amount. Perhaps even 1/8 tsp. if you are very worried about getting sick. If you tolerate that dose with no problem try 1/4 tsp., etc. It will be worth it! Then work your way up slowly but surely.
I understand how frustrating it is to experience severe detox. You are not alone!
- Re: Kefir makes me sick turion
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This is a reply to # 659,338I cultivate mine in 2% organic milk (cow). Do not use any metallic container or utensils. I was told to drink it for 20 days and rest for 10 days. Use about 3 teaspoonful of kefir grains for 8 ounces of milk. Drink the milk after 24 hours. Drink it before you go to bed. Work miracles with some of my friends.
- Re: Kefir makes me sick theladder
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This is a reply to # 659,345One area to concider, is that probiotics cause bad reactions in people with leaky gut. Maybe read up on it and see if any of it sounds like you. I know it's hard sometimes to distinguish herx and a "bad" reaction.
Good luck to you. I love my kefir.
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- Don't force it jordysyd
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This is a reply to # 659,289I haven't read all the replies so this may be redundant.
If you have candida that means you have probably got leaky gut or other digestive problems. You need to lay off the milk kefir for a while; try kefiring other liquids that you know you can tolerate.
Gelatin in the form of bone broths can help the digestive system to heal. Avoid commercial gelatin as it contains MSG.
Food combining is very helpful for those with weak digestion. Don't eat starches and proteins together.
Lots of probiotics and cultured veggies.
I have heard good things about candida and kombucha, but you will want to make sure the Sugar is all consumed before you drink it. If you brew your own you can use pH strips to test acidity. Unflavored commercial varieties contain practically no sugar, as well as yeasts that COMPETE with candida.
Listen to your body as it heals. Just because something is good for someone else doesn't mean it is good for you.
If you have a systemic candida infection remember that you may have recurring symptoms throughout your life if you stray from your diet for very long. These buggers tend to bury themselves deep in our organs when we disrupt them and are very hard to get rid of. They coat the heart and organs which I'm sure you already know.
As you get stronger try reintroducing the kefir gradually. I would say several months at least off dairy.
Good luck and keep us posted!
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