cooking and fermenting are two very different processes... with two very different results in terms of end results.
Yes, they are different processes. But many of the outcomes are the same. Cooking and fermentation both destroy many of the so called "toxins" in soy such as the goitrogens and enzyme inhibitors.
>>" as far as pesticides go, again that is a completely different subject. Because you can say that about every single food item that is grown with pesticides. It has nothing to do specifically with soy products at all"<<
*cides* are not a different subject at all, if we are talking about a single food and that food has a history of *cides* being used on them.
Most produce uses "cides". Many of the animals we eat have been exposed to these same "cides", so it really is not a soy issue. People are trying to make this a soy issue because they have an anti-soy agenda.
So yes, if the -*soy* in question has cides used on them, and or are contaminated with them, as all food is these days... then it is relevant to the topic here and NOT a separate issue.
And there is organically grown soy. Yet the anti-soy agenda people don't like mentioning this because it would go against their own agenda. But how many of any non-organic produce do we consume that have not had herbicides or pesticides used on them? So to single out soy when as you point out all grown foods have "cides" used on them or are contaminated with them shows an agenda strictly against soy with a faulty argument. Even "organically grown" plants and meats can be contaminated with "cides".
These *cides* are *poisons* that have a greater negative affect to health combined, than by themselves... and we all know and apple can have as many as 60+ of these *cides* ion them... gives new meaning to Snow White, eh?
And as I pointed out in my previous post many of these "cides" are estrogenic and soy is anti-estrogenic. So you would be safer eating soy with "cides" than you would be with eating an apple with "cides". So why are we not seeing the big anti-apple propaganda campaign since they are more dangerous than soy?
Which brings me to the fact that ALL of these problems with SOY (or any *food* for that matter) are man-made... as it is with most all of our problems in this world today... including the creation of super weeds, super bugs, super microorganisms, and the grievous degradation of the planet's ecosystems, and health, which affect the health of the life on it.
Let's add the loss of the world's bee population, which can lead to worldwide loss of human life if they disappear.