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Re: Evidence that liver flushing is a scam

Calcium availability is dependent on various factors including whether or not the source is also high in oxalates. Carrots, which contain more calcium that human breast milk, do not contain high levels of oxalates. So it is a good source of calcium, especially when juiced.


Interesting sidenote on oxalates. I don't think the carrot calcium comparison to human breast milk indicates much though, as human breast milk is not known to be a source especially high in calcium. Carrots have 3.26% daily value of calcium per cup (122 grams) according to World's Healthiest Foods website nutritional profile. So if I juiced about 30 cups I'd reach daily value (I do juice close to this much on a carrot fast, ie nearly 10 pounds which is ~4,500 grams).

As an aside, the high calcium content of cow's milk versus the much lower calcium content of human breast milk is another reason that formula is not a good substitute. Beside, of course, all the epidemiological evidence of differential outcomes (breastfeeding increasing IQ, improving digestive capabilities).


As I mentioned above there are often other sources of fats people over look. You just mentioned fasting. Guess what is increased in the process of fasting, or even the consumption of bitter foods like some greens? The body breaks down fat stores, much of which is excreted through the intestines. For example, when people start using bitters they will generally find that their stools float. This is from the flushing of fats that were being stored in the body.


I do not store much body fat at all, honestly I am very thin due to a poor digestion and my tense emotions and mental approach.


Well, if we check the research on fecal soaps a lot of the research in is cattle grazing on grass. I have also seen some research on poultry that were not feeding on milk either.


Ok somewhat reasonable, but animal studies are not conclusive for anything that happens in humans. Some examples (from Roy Kupsinel MD, "Vivisection - Science or Scam"): Tuberkulin cures tuberculosis in guinea pigs. It causes tuberculosis in humans. Two grams of the tranquilizer scopolamine can kill a human, but dogs and cats can stand hundred times higher dosages. PCP which drives humans into a frenzy, is a horse tranquilizer. Ancient physician Galen was responsible for deaths of thousands of women from infection during childbirth because his observations that animals could give birth in unsanitary conditions were taken seriously. Digitalis is used for controlling heart disease in humans, but dangerously raises blood pressure in dogs.

This is another example of the kind approach of veganism being reasonable and wise. We do not garner the value we think we do from animal lab experiments, and the animals are cruelly subjected to horrible diseases and horrible pain. Ultimately, any drug / treatment / or biological mechanism needs to be tested and shown in humans to be usable. We need to invest in more in-vitro testing with human cell cultures, as our preliminary experimentation.


It seems conceivable to think that the hyperdosing with magnesium could possibly effect the duct to have different properties (and I doubt the reference number was measured under those conditions).

That is like saying that if I heat up a rubber band a few degrees it will significantly increase its elasticity. If a rubber band can only stretch 4 inches maximum, warming it up a few degrees is not going to make it go another inch, or even a 1/16th of an inch. A rubber band can only expand so far regardless just like the bile ducts can only expand so far. This is why people have lodged stones in their bile ducts during flushes despite taking magnesium.


Analogies and metaphors can only take us so far. Ultimately every distinct thing needs to be determined experientially / empirically.


Stones are extremely slow to form and grow to any significant size. This is why the people who claim to pass cups of stones then do the same thing a few days later are simply providing more evidence that those big blobs are nothing more than soap stones. And as I pointed out before the sterols in olive oil will also bind cholesterol creating congealed matter. Impurities get caught in it during the formation creating the colors. And the dye experiment where people mix dye in the olive oil then ingest it further proves this fact since the dye never reaches the liver or gallbladder. So the fact that the dye ends up in the middle of these "stones" conclusively proves that they were formed in the intestines, not the liver nor the gallbladder.


This is the strongest evidence of intestinal formation. I also noticed a black waxy stone upon flushing with toasted pumpkin seed oil (black), whereas I had not noticed a black one with my olive oil flushes.


One thing I find very ironic though is that anyone who disagrees with "liver flushing" is branded "pro-pharma". But the " Liver Flush supporters are using a pro-pharma mentality of using the old shotgun approach to address a problem. The non-pharma approach to healing is small doses and slow and steady. The pro-pharma approach is to force the issue with high doses, just like the “liver flush” supporters are doing.

And this extends beyond the shotgun approach reasoning. It also applies to the same thing people in the alternative healing fields complain about allopathic medicine and big pharma of treating the symptom and not the cause. Liver Flushing does not treat the cause of Gallstones either.


I agree that there are underlying issues at play that should be addressed.


Not sure what you want to know. Yes they exist, and yes they are a problem especially in some parts of the world. But Hulda Clark really over hyped the issue to the point of giving alternative medicine a real big black eye with her ridiculous claims.


I meant, do you believe the rolled up "tomato skins" in the toilet post flush are flukes or something else? I can say I released quantities of these skins (as well as other odd, parasitic looking forms) in my first few flushes, and now see none. I was also consuming parasite killing herbs at the time. I did not start consuming tomatoes again until the last couple weeks, in which I have not flushed.


By the way, I want to thank you for having a nice discussion of the subject. It is a nice change from the constant having to fight back against the numerous trolls here on Curezone that simply think that their word is solid proof and make up claims about you if you disagree with them. Their false claims then become like pheromones singling the attack by the other trolls who then swarm in. I have enjoyed the change and the calm discussion, so thanks again.


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