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Mukta Vati

by tristenmc 18 years ago 41,986

Re: Mukta Vati by garycooper 14 years ago 37,474

Re: Constant Nagging Cough: by #76749 14 years ago 35,445

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by videoman 18 years ago 35,433

Re: Mukta Vati by leorourk 18 years ago 34,996

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by #24855 18 years ago 34,559

Re: Mukta Vati by celigar 17 years ago 34,470

Re: Mukta Vati by leorourk 17 years ago 34,329

Re: Mukta Vati by celigar 17 years ago 34,206

Re: Mukta Vati by tristenmc 17 years ago 33,748

Re: Mukta Vati by mki 13 years ago 33,548

Re: Mukta Vati by Kvale 15 years ago 33,420

Re: Mukta Vati by Kvale 15 years ago 33,154

Re: Mukta Vati by #84168 15 years ago 33,048

Re: Mukta Vati by peranders 14 years ago 32,782

Any Companies in the USA?? by #34548 16 years ago 32,774

Re: Mukta Vati by #27054 15 years ago 32,595

Re: Mukta Vati by Kvale 15 years ago 32,587

Re: Any Companies in the USA?? by delfin 16 years ago 32,528

Re: Mukta Vati by Gaiamoon 14 years ago 32,073

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Re: Mukta Vati by urahmpx 13 years ago 31,778

Re: Mukta Vati by Neteret01 13 years ago 31,251

Re: Mukta Vati by JUSTFORFUN6 13 years ago 30,872

Re: Mukta Vati by urahmpx 13 years ago 30,626

eggplant + water tackle the root problem?

by BuddhaBoi 18 years ago 29,991

Re: Mukta Vati by bmamun01 12 years ago 29,912

Re: eggplant + water tackle the root problem? by Opus 18 years ago 29,838

Take only an ounce a day of eggplant + water, righ... by BuddhaBoi 18 years ago 29,730

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by gypsyme 13 years ago 29,690

Re: Take only an ounce a day of eggplant + water, ... by sata 18 years ago 29,278

Re: Take only an ounce a day of eggplant + water, ... by Opus 18 years ago 29,253

Re: Mukta Vati by Neteret01 12 years ago 28,967

Re: Mukta Vati by Neteret01 12 years ago 28,870

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by #109212 13 years ago 28,797

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by floridagirl11 13 years ago 28,164

Re: Constant Nagging Cough: by archus 14 years ago 28,138

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by floridagirl11 13 years ago 27,852

Re: Constant Nagging Cough: by hopinso 14 years ago 27,644

Constant Nagging Cough:

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Re: Mukta Vati by MaryG 11 years ago 26,215

Re: Mukta Vati by MaryG 10 years ago 25,133

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by aMn 12 years ago 24,619 † C †

2 questions about beet juicing beets

by lollygag 13 years ago 24,466 † C †

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by #123010 13 years ago 24,377

Re: eggplant juice worked great. by #123010 13 years ago 24,351

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by machaon.fl 13 years ago 23,750 † C †

Re: 2 questions about beet juicing beets by Quinta_Essentia 13 years ago 23,400

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by #107689 12 years ago 23,060

Re: 2 questions about beet juicing beets by unyquity 13 years ago 23,032

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by knowledge seeker 12 years ago 22,815

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Really Help... by SF1933 12 years ago 22,632

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by aMn 12 years ago 22,557

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by aMn 12 years ago 22,515

Re: Mukta Vati by jomik 10 years ago 22,510

Re: Anyone used CardioVital from Biowell for Hyper... by vickiec51 17 years ago 22,494

Re: 2 questions about beet juicing beets by grassman 13 years ago 22,474

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by UserX 12 years ago 22,469

Re: 2 questions about beet juicing beets by mo123 13 years ago 22,464

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by knowledge seeker 12 years ago 22,410

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by Hveragerthi 12 years ago 22,375

Re: 2 questions about beet juicing beets by Neteret01 13 years ago 22,343

Re: 2 questions about beet juicing beets by lollygag 13 years ago 22,337

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by Hveragerthi 12 years ago 22,324

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by Search2008 12 years ago 22,308

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by #107689 12 years ago 22,273

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by aMn 12 years ago 22,237

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by aMn 12 years ago 22,161

Re: Natural Foods and Supplements That Quickly Hel... by aMn 12 years ago 22,089

Re: Anyone used CardioVital from Biowell for Hyper... by tn 18 years ago 21,160

High BP and Hawthorne Berries

by #34548 12 years ago 21,048

Re: Blood Pressure extremes for each hour of each ... by Johny Apple Bomb 13 years ago 20,649

Re: High BP and Hawthorne Berries - HELP by aMn 12 years ago 20,518

Re: High BP and Hawthorne Berries by Hveragerthi 12 years ago 20,494

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Re: High BP and Hawthorne Berries - HELP by #34548 12 years ago 20,168

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Re: High BP and Hawthorne Berries by aMn 12 years ago 20,120

Re: Mukta Vati by mpyre 9 years ago 20,069

Re: Blood Pressure extremes for each hour of each ... by machaon.fl 13 years ago 19,966

Re: High BP and Hawthorne Berries by montecristo5216 12 years ago 19,652

Re: Blood Pressure extremes for each hour of each ... by machaon.fl 13 years ago 19,400

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Re: Blood Pressure extremes for each hour of each ... by The Hunter 12 years ago 18,500

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Re: Using magnesium for high blood pressure by Hveragerthi 13 years ago 17,550

Re: Mukta Vati by goldengrain 9 years ago 17,353

Re: Using magnesium for high blood pressure by younghoodini 13 years ago 17,311

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Re: Mukta vati and tiredness and mild headaches by aviator 13 years ago 16,731

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Re: Constant Nagging Cough: by Rickhard 8 years ago 16,387

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by #120564 13 years ago 16,375

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by Frank from KY 18 years ago 16,294

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Re: Using Hawthorn Berries and Roots for High Bloo... by aMn 12 years ago 16,107

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Re: Update to eggplant cure by Opus 18 years ago 15,858

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Re: Anyone used CardioVital from Biowell for Hyper... by whamo 18 years ago 15,733

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Re: Stop heart attack (6 simple steps; Buteyko bre... by InnerCalm 13 years ago 15,647

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Re: Update to eggplant cure / Holly cow!! by Opus 18 years ago 15,593

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Re: Anyone used CardioVital from Biowell for Hyper... by dla 18 years ago 14,607

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by irastus 18 years ago 14,528

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Re: Anyone used CardioVital from Biowell for Hyper... by tn 18 years ago 14,054

Re: Great Results with celery seed ! by #24855 18 years ago 14,041

Re: Great Results with celery seed ! by irastus 18 years ago 14,022

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Re: Anyone used CardioVital from Biowell for Hyper... by #21466 18 years ago 13,986

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Re: Congrats and.... by bomar 17 years ago 13,981

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Re: Congrats and....(Told my Doctor) by hanna 17 years ago 13,768

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Re: Great Results with celery seed ! by dove003 18 years ago 13,754

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Re: Great Results with celery seed ! by dove003 18 years ago 13,746

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Re: Mukta Vati - Dosage by #118202 13 years ago 7,316

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Husband has bp of 140/110 - please help

by #16399 14 years ago 6,897

Re: So sad and desperate about all this. by chirontherainbowbridge 12 years ago 6,891

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148/115

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Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by chrisb1 14 years ago 6,673

Re: Charts showing my average daily range of Diast... by machaon.fl 13 years ago 6,644

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Re: Well done. by machaon.fl 13 years ago 6,623

Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by oddi 14 years ago 6,621

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magnesium, anxiety, dehydration... by motif 11 years ago 6,483

Re: 148/115 by aMn 12 years ago 6,441

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by Hveragerthi 11 years ago 6,266 † C †

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by #129278 9 years ago 6,224 † C †

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Re: 148/115 by chrisb1 13 years ago 6,194

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Re: Mukta Vati makes me tired? Adrenal Fatigue by 32771 12 years ago 6,129

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Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by chrisb1 14 years ago 6,072

High Blood Pressure Cure - Mukta Vati

by Neteret01 13 years ago 6,068

Re: Calcium channel blocker by linenup 10 years ago 6,060

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by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 6,053 † C †

Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by #27054 14 years ago 6,052

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Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by oddi 14 years ago 6,039

Re: 148/115 by Iolite 13 years ago 6,037

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Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by chrisb1 14 years ago 6,006

High BP and eye floaters?

by aviator 13 years ago 6,002

Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by #27054 14 years ago 5,997

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Re: hypertension! any suggestions please!!! by #75412 15 years ago 5,953

Re: More Vitamin D Studies of Interest. by chrisb1 12 years ago 5,893

Re: hypertension! any suggestions please!!! by nickatnight 15 years ago 5,861

144 over 66, comments?

by elin 17 years ago 5,826

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by newmother 15 years ago 5,810 † C †

Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by #27054 14 years ago 5,805

Hypertension

by charkee 12 years ago 5,790 † C †

Re: 144 over 66, comments? by Cambridge 17 years ago 5,781

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Re: Dear ChrisB1 by chrisb1 14 years ago 5,730

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Dear ChrisB1 by #34548 14 years ago 5,708

Re: Calcium channel blocker by Flamengo 10 years ago 5,693

Magnesium, etc. by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 5,691

Re: Calcium channel blocker by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 5,649

Re: sure enough... by chrisb1 12 years ago 5,647

Re: Husband has bp of 140/110 - please help by ennovative 14 years ago 5,641

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by Selini 17 years ago 5,609

Re: More Vitamin D Studies of Interest. by johng 12 years ago 5,606

Re: Woman lowers BP From 140/92 to 106/68 in 1 wee... by mo123 10 years ago 5,603

Re: Magnesium, etc. by linenup 10 years ago 5,567

Re: Calcium channel blocker by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 5,548

Re: Calcium channel blocker by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 5,543

Re: Calcium channel blocker by feo66 10 years ago 5,533

Re: Woman lowers BP From 140/92 to 106/68 in 1 wee... by #18805 10 years ago 5,529

sure enough... by johng 12 years ago 5,518

Re: More Vitamin D Studies of Interest. by johng 12 years ago 5,512

Re: celery and high blood pressure by #27054 17 years ago 5,511

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Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by BobM 14 years ago 5,506

Re: Woman lowers BP From 140/92 to 106/68 in 1 wee... by #18805 10 years ago 5,503

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Re: High Blood Pressure Cure - Mukta Vati by 32771 13 years ago 5,486

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Higher BP caused by age related blood thickening?

by Larry_B 16 years ago 5,435

Re: 144 over 66, comments? by elin 17 years ago 5,430

Re: How To Lower High Blood Pressure by hanna 14 years ago 5,419

Hair analysis by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 5,416

Re: celery and high blood pressure by Red_HongKong 17 years ago 5,416

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Re: More Vitamin D Studies of Interest. by johng 12 years ago 5,403

Has anyone tried Hypnosis for Hypertension?

by pinkcat 13 years ago 5,401 † C †

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Re: hypertension! any suggestions please!!! by AWDEEDS 15 years ago 5,355

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Re: fasting to lower blood pressure. by Sportsmanship 5 years ago 5,326

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Re: Cure to high blood pressure/diabetes? by Dquixote1217 9 years ago 5,295

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Re: hypertension! any suggestions please!!! by #74570 15 years ago 5,263

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Re: hypertension! any suggestions please!!! by #42781 15 years ago 5,221

Thank you! by ways_of_wisdom 10 years ago 5,220

Re: Cure to high blood pressure/diabetes? by #175089 9 years ago 5,208

The MIRACLE of Nitric Oxide for Optimal Health

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Re: Woman lowers BP From 140/92 to 106/68 in 1 wee... by setsail2 10 years ago 5,111

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Re: The MIRACLE of Nitric Oxide for Optimal Health by grizz 7 years ago 5,089

Re: hypertension! any suggestions please!!! by AWDEEDS 15 years ago 5,084

Questions about hypermagnesia and kidneys.. by Insight 11 years ago 5,071

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Re: Cure to high blood pressure/diabetes? by DrRocamboli 9 years ago 5,067

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Re: Hypertension by Hveragerthi 12 years ago 5,061

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Re: High BP and eye floaters? by trimnut2 13 years ago 5,000

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Re: Magnesium and Blood Pressure by mictrev 11 years ago 4,953

Re: [EDIT]Still having blood pressure problems... by Insight 11 years ago 4,953

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