Hi Sherpa, vitamin C also lowers copper and histamine in blood. Omo, good to cyber see you too, I do still take the pregnenalone. I think I always will. Just down to 25mgs rather than the 100 I was taking when times wre tough. Whoever asked about my estrogen, yes I’ve had it tested probably 8 times in the last 2 years and I’m still high estrogen. That aspect is still not resolved even with anti aromatase supps but I think it’s part of my age. I’m 40 now. And i do feel the major hormonal fluxes in my body. But at least now I have good progesterone to counter it. I had the progesteron ...
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FOS you obviously have me confused with someone else...I have no other forum. I don’t have time for forums as you can see by my sporadic posts here...I am a successful filmmaker. That’s my job not selling crap to sick people. .it’s bizarre people like you and your antagonistic attitudes that have kept me away. What was I selling in my post? Nothing obviously. Keep your head in the sand and keep thinking everything is a conspiracy and everyone is out to get you. That’s bound to do you a lot of good. I come back to write posts because I get emails and PMs requesting that I do. I won’t be ma ...
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Hi all, Laredo here with a long overdue check in. I wanted to clear up a couple things.... first off there has been some talk that I had a copper IUD. That is incorrect. I did NOT have anything copper inserted into my private parts, please fact check my posts before you rewrite my medical history. In fact, I have never used any sort of birth control other than condoms and the pull out method with my hubby:) second I do NOT believe copper toxicity is solely to blame for this so-called ”adrenal fatigue”. I believe copper accumilation happens because zinc & magnesium are lost under stre ...
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Thanx for the well wishes, I enjoyed reading others perspectives on the histamine and copper issues. One thing I must warn about though that was mentioned....arginine is a known trigger for major schizophrenic episode. And frankly high histamine can at times feel very close to schizophrenia because of the brain fog and derealization....my suggestion is if you are using arginine or anything like it go slowly and conservatively. I would first try tyrosine....and also TMG is a much gentler way to manufacture SamE and combined with methionine helps high histamine people produce much needed adr ...
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Hi all, not sure if many of you remember me but I try to check in from time to time in hopes that someone who is suffering will look at my old posts and get some information that helps them find thier answers. Or maybe get some hope....I went from bed ridden to having just gotten married, having a flourishing career and remodeling our home and juggling a million other things....all stressful things. And yes, I still need to watch my stress triggers and levels and keep toxic people at bay but I can hike, sauna,live, stay up late, drink etc etc etc...my transformation has been profound. It c ...
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hi SB, thanx for the well wishes...in the beginning i was too sensitive for progesterone....i tried the cream and got horrible anxiety. so i went the gentler route. i do use progesterone now as a sublingual and i really love it. but at the start i was too fragile for it...   [End]
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hi lalobear, when i first started i worked with dr. neville but then went off on my own with research and trial and error. for anyone who wants detailed info its all in my old posts. be well!!   [End]
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Hi all, not sure how many of my old pals are still on the forums but a few people have PM’d me to ask for an update. So let me begin by saying that there is a pretty detailed account of everything i went thru and discovered in my early stages of healing. that said i will give a brief recap of what i used and why and how my treatment morphed as i got better and went from bed ridden to hiking for miles in 100 degree heat and loving it. In each stage i phased out certain supps and phased in others. i am NOT saying that my protocol will work for everyone, i am NOT suggesting anyone try it. i ...
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here’s one more article that explains the relation of histamines to adrenals, http://lymedisease.medical-topics.com/tag/histamine/ i’ve cut and pasted the ”highlights” below...see you all in a few months:) Literature Review: There is a considerable amount of evidence supporting the theory that histamine is directly involved in the stress response induced biochemical changes. In non-stressed rats, histamine interacts normally with a & b-adrenergic and muscarinic cholinergic receptor. He stressed rats, histamine interacts only with a-adrenergic, non-b-adrenergic receptors (Bugajs ...
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hi all, it’s been a while. i wasn’t planning on coming back but a lot of you reached out to me so i’m popping in just to give a bit more info and then i will be gone again. i hope you are all having steady recovery...my life is full these days....work is exciting...i got engaged...bought a new home....and i have the energy and stamina of a normal person. my only rough patches are when i am ovulating and thats more emotional, irritability issues than anything. the main factors for me reaching this stage was originally my copper detox and zinc loading...lots of magnesium then adding a low hi ...
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Thanx to you others, I’m rooting for you all and am grateful for the forum and the experiences you’ve shared. You helped me put the pieces together   [End]
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Bbq you are actually one of the people who helped me make this decision after you pm’d me practically begging for help but then were combative and totally disinterested in taking resposibily for your own health and doing the work and research to get healthy. Then you went one step further to suggest having neurological issues are unimportant. That’s hurtful to hear for a person who struggled to walk and looked like shaky parkinsons patient. I just simply don’t have the time or energy to continue dealing with people like you. I have 5 lost years to make up for...so yeah maybe I am in a hurr ...
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hi all, i’ve decided Not to answer any questions on the forum anymore...i just don’t need the negative energy and hostility some people have...it’s not healthy. that having been said i’m so thrilled about the handful of people my information helped and will post updates from time to time. i wish you all brilliant health:)   [End]
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Hi, my brainfog lifted within a few days of taking methionine....it’s a bit startling at first...colors seemed brighter, head clearer...then i started getting nausea from the dose being too high for me to handle so i reduced to 500mgs. the fog is still lifted but life is not as technocolor as before;) i think that will change as the methylation process continues. the derealization seems to pop in though if i break my low histamine diet too much...that will probably get better over time too and the histamine stores are down   [End]
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Thanx Jpron, I couldn’t agree more. That ugly comment made me feel like I shouldn’t stick around and try to help others but that’s actually what this forum s all about....   [End]
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Thanx for your rude comment, I am not trying to be anyone’s savior, I am merely relaying my journey which by the way seems to be helping several people on the forum? It takes time out of my busy life and I dont exactly get anything out of it. . Andy cutler is not god, my reaction to sulphur has been different. It proved helpful, and there are several others on this forum who have added sulphur to their metal detox with great success, like newport. Cutle also recently said most people are copper toxic nt mercury toxic as he previously thought. Other adrenal fatigue practitioners cnfirm t ...
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Moly is not a chelating agent, it is a binding agent. I also is dd that you would feel bad after magnesium since its a mast cell stabilizer and reduces histamine release. Yours sounds like a more complicated case than just histamne issues so I would recommend a good ND that deals with these things.   [End]
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Unfortunately you have to go thru some healing type reactions to get to the other side....I have lots of kidney pain during the first 3 months or so of my copper detox....I do believe it’s chelation related. How much moly are you using? What makes you feel bad about eating sulphur? That may just be your body releasing toxins....sulphur binds and removes metals....I resigned myself to feeling worse before better just like ever healing book and therapy said is normal and it turned out to be true for me.....And for me derealization and brain fob are directly related to high histamnes.....it’s ...
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Jpron has given you good advise...if you feel better with an antihistamine you most definately are high histamines....I had all your symptoms, try a very low histamine diet of lots of magnesium and C.....I bet you feel better in a couple weeks....and if you are taking b12 and folic stop. I know you’re scared but you have to try something different....you have said you are getting worse for many months now on the forum....maybe ts time to commit to something.....that’s the best advise I can give you, hang in there   [End]
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hi indiana...i’m honestly not sure of how one develops low histamines....i’ve done most of my research on high histamines.....i only researched the treatment for low for my BF   [End]
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From my research quercitin worsens estrogen dominance and in long run raises histamine stores   [End]
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Hi Omo, I love the biology of kundalini info....and yes I think it turns into a clusterfu$! Of issues including metal toxicity that is a keeping the methyl cycle blocked....but once we unblock it with metal detox and methylation supps the wheels of the machine should start turning again....   [End]
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Hi Ali, I’m thrilled to hear about your progress....you might want to add the low histamine diet for a couple weeks to see if you get to 100percent if you fit the high histamne profile....it can cause insomnia   [End]
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Hi, lots of food lists on the Internet, google histadelia or high histamine foods and you will get quite a few interesting reads....read as much as you can and keep educating yourself, in my opinion that’s the way to get to the finish line   [End]
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Thank you, I hope you find your answers:)   [End]
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There is a flush free form of niacin....   [End]
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Hi, I think the niacin test works but there may be some people who it doesn’t work for....just remember to not get flush free! If you are high histamne following a strict low histamine diet fr first 4 weeks is key along with the supps, good luck and keep me posted!   [End]
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i believe testing serum ceruloplasmin and copper is the best way....then you can use the link i pasted to find out your free copper levels i.e. copper that is getting stored in tissues and organs...   [End]
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hi indiana, i actually was eating those foods and feeling 80 percent better after my copper detox....but i think for me i have a tendancy to be high histamines, biounavailable copper and probably have my whole life so i’ll just need to watch my diet in moderation and take the supplements...i was injesting massive amounts of those foods...like 8 ounces of saurkraut a day and eating a half jar of pickles....it wasn’t until i added the high dose b12 and folic acid that the symptoms went thru the roof and i started itching....that’s how i put all the pieces together.....trial and error....some ...
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i think there are distinct stages,i’m still researching but my BF has adrenal issues and has very low histamines....he’s 2 1/2 weeks into treatment and the change is dramatic...i think insurance will cover if your doc orders the labs but i just paid for it thru ineedlabs.com...the big difference we’ve ntices is that he never gets sick or catches a cold and i catch one easily...i also have food and chemical allergies while he has none at all....i don’t get depressed and gets gets major depression...i have more bipolar type symptoms....this all coincides with low and high histamines types... ...
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Hi all, as some of you may know I was 80 percent improved and literally poisoned myself with tons of high histamine foods that I thought were ”healthy” like saurkraught, pickles, cheese etc. and added b12 and folic acid to disastrous results. After 5 days my symptoms came flooding back, panic, heavy limbs, uncoordinated, balance issues, noise sensitive, fatigue, pressure in head, burning and prickling sensations and derealization. I also am a very creative person but get almost a manic creativity when the histamines rise... I figured out quickly the histamine connection and stopped the f ...
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I used to have the dark circles sunken look much worse when I first got sick....it’s definately improved...I actually wear no makeup at all and don’t need to....I used to never go out of the house without under eye concealer....   [End]
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Thank you:) glad to help   [End]
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I thing blood test s very reliable....and yes I think it does run in families.....   [End]
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I’ve read this guys posts...i’ve also read several places on tat forum where people get very sick from trying his protocol...maybe this guy is histapenic and this works well for him but for someone like me with high histamines it is disasterous...i actually added b12 and folic because of this same person’s information on the internet and it caused me an astounding set back....each chemistry is different which is why i suggest the ceruloplasmin, copper and histamine blood tests   [End]
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have faith Vegeta, when you start taking the right combination of supps the result is phenominal....you are on the right path, it just takes a bit of trial and error unfortunately:) i also do not have low blood sugar i just used to think it was blood sugar but my symptoms were high histamine symptoms...they felt almost like a stroke!   [End]
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i take taurine and methionine but i’ve heard taurine slows down methylation so now i take them apart. just know if you are low histamine you may react poorly to methionine...you may want to do the niacin flush test first....but frankly you sound alot like me so i bet you are a high histamine undermethylator. i take pure ascorbic acid crystals and i take mag malate because malic acid helps generate ATP which is mucho importante for energy...citrate is fine but it makes me more sluggish and take 50 mgs of p5p or 100 mgs of regular b 6...i hope this helps you...   [End]
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you can either have a blood test or take 50 mgs of niacin, if you flush you are high histamine/biounavailable copper, if it takes more than 150mgs to flush you are low histamine/histapenic and most likely have high serum copper. this test seems to work like a charm from my experience and everything i’ve read. for example my BF is very low histamine, we tested his urine, blood and did the niacin test. it took 300mgs to make him flush and he’s made a remarkable turnaround on his depression in less than 2 weeks using supplements to raise histamines.   [End]
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hi jpron, i tried histame which is the DOA supplement and it was helpful in that first week when my histamines were thru the roof. i was itching like mad and had severe DR/DP and balance issues. i stopped using it since it’s so darn expensive and find that the digestive enzymes work just as well, especially amylase. did you also have neurological type symptoms with the high histamines? i also tested low ceruloplasmin which is a marker for high tissue copper and since i started copper detox my symptoms were down to almost nothing...even with the high histamines i’m still way better off th ...
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any form of b12 will raise histamine levels from my research   [End]
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i used methyl b 12 with disasterous result combined with folic acid it raises histamines. i was 80% better then started high doses and almost all my symptoms came flooding back in 5 days...tested my histamines and they were very high.high histamines go hand in hand with biounavailable copper. i’ve been on a low histamine diet taking methionine and high dose vit C and plenty of water and i’m 60 percent there now....it was a massive discovery for me and is the missing link to get me to 100 percent i believe. my high histamine symptoms resemble low blood sugar, i get heavy limbs, poor balanc ...
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yup, that’s why it’s importatnt to know what your treating before you treat it...its as easy as taking your blood sugar and if it’s normal give vitamin c a try....trial and error is unfortunately the only way to get to the bottom of things....   [End]
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actually i take mag because it stabalizes mast cells and keeps the body from going into sympathetic dominance.....   [End]
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there are several things magnesium does and i think it will greatly help you. try magnesium malate and space out the doses about 5 times a day...that will not cause loose bowels. take 100 mgs at a time. also b6 is vital for raising testosterone and progesterone and lowing estrogen which will very much help the copper toxicity. try this for two weeks with a low histamine low copper diet and 2000mgs of pure ascorbic acid taken 500 mgs at a time over the day and i bet you will notice a drastic difference...   [End]
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also vegeta do you have any burning skin sensations, prickling or allergy type issues?   [End]
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Hi vegeta, I would give methionine a try. It’s very similar to NAC but gentler so you could use it even before alot of copper has been cleared....it will help you on many levels since it’s a chelator of copper but also helps clear the liver, kick start methelation which is a major issue for copper toxic folks and make more bile. it also helps with estrogen dominance so there’s much benefit in it...i use the powder for thru source naturals, it’s cheep. start with a tiny dose and build up to 500mgs...keep me posted. also are you taking any B6? you may want to add that in the P5P form which i ...
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I used to have the raised bumps on my upper arms and outer thighs until i did the copper detox and used NAC for my liver. Interestingly my mom had them pretty bad until she had a liver transplant we were just discussing it the other day. They are completely gone now for both of us. If niacin makes you feel good look into histapenia and high blood copper. Best of luck, I know how frustrating the maze can be but when u find the answers and it all clicks its spectacular....   [End]
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what i used to think were low blood sugar symptoms were high histamines....it causes low BP and high pulse and releases adrenaline...everytime i checked my blood sugar during these times it was normal as can be...now when it happens i take a 1000mgs of vitamin c and feel better...vitamin c lowers histamines on contact   [End]
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yes i have them and read them cover to cover   [End]
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As I told you in your PM to me biounavailable copper leads to low serum copper, low serum copper and high histamines go hand in hand as copper is one ofthe elements along with b 6 that helps lower histamnes. On the flip side high serum copper, which means high copper in the blood, lowers histamines. Try dr. Phieffers book on mental illnesses or get Deppression Free Naturally, it’s mapped out in that book......also in the article below Larry Wilson discusses the several types of copper toxicity. there is biounavailable which would be low ceruloplasmin and low blood copper or high serum an ...
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You could also read my posts, especially from August thru December   [End]
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palpatations are usually adrenaline related for me... especially if you get them after coffee or sugar. exercise is a touch one....since it raises histamines it could be a major nono for low blood copper/high tissue copper people with high histamines since it releases more. you could experiment, if exercise makes you weak and heavy in limbs, dizzy, palps or burning sensations, watery eyes, weezing or itchy you have high histamines....there is also a protocol for lowering histamines which goes hand in hand with biounavailable copper. by the way our bodies release adrenaline to lower hist ...
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C is a chelator of copper and glutathione would bind and remove it   [End]
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i have had gold colored BM’s since I started the detox....it’s finally now just turned brown after using artichoke but i still get gold and orange now and again....do you feel any IBS symptoms?   [End]
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dr neville said if seriphos doesn’t calm you it means the adrenaline is the culprit not cortisol....that’s why it’s recommended for high cortisol times. i took sub adrene cortex glandular for those other times....its trial and error....seriphos helped me quite a bit....i was majorly stuck in fight or flight before starting it   [End]
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i love this article! i read it over and over for hope in the beginning:)   [End]
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you may find this interesting.... http://biogenicaminewoman.tumblr.com/post/1399541941/part-3-alice-in-wonderland   [End]
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sounds like you know what you’re doing:)   [End]
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it took about 2 months to see solid improvement...you could also try taurine since it helps clear the copper from the liver and tissues by binding it....have a look at my posts from august on, they may help:)   [End]
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you will feel better, i had the exact same symptoms. though i’m thinking manganese is not so good....especially if undermethylating. why not molybdenum as cutler recommends....   [End]
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B 6 is involved in DAO production which is an enzyme that breaks down histamines so maybe that’s what they were referencing. it does not raise histamines. i haven’t tried histame but read about it.it seems overpriced. i also read the enzyme amylase helps break down histamines too and they are in my digestive enzymes. i have tried methionine, b6 vitamin C with bioflavanoids and the 3 have helped me brilliantly. That along with a low histamine low copper diet. Its been less than 2 weeks my high histamine symptoms are dissapearing quickly:)   [End]
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B 6 is actually involved with creating the enzyme DAO which breaks down histamines, dr. Phieffer recommends this for high histamine patients. I haven’t found anything connecting it with raising histamnes only the breakdown. Where are you getting that info? B 5 from my research has some mild stimulant type properties so I avoid it. I don’t think it’s bad, I just don’t feel I need it at this stage.....so after I posted the above I did a search on b 5 and though it does stimulate the adrenals it works as a natural anti histamne! Woohoo! Thanx Ali, I may add this to my regiment after all   [End]
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my boyfriend also tried it with the exact same reaction...that’s why DR. Lam does not recommend it, he also says it’s a stimulant. it is stated clearly all over the internet that it’s an adrenal stimulant...i am suggesting people research before willy nilly trying a stimulant....as it can backfire...hard and at the end of several of the articles it says it is structurally related to amphetamines here are some exerps of an article below and link to that article: http://www.bee-pollen-health.com/bee-pollen-info-2.php By stimulating the secretion of hormones from the adrenal cortex, ...
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bee pollen is extremely stimulating and contains similar ingredients to methamphetamines. please do the research before you try anything. look at my posts about bee pollen and the link i provided.   [End]
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Undermethylators should never take extra manganese   [End]
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Hi cisco, I agree the forum s amazing....I also have had crazy back and neck tension....I now correlate this with the histamine release....have you tried methionine or b 6 and vitamn c?   [End]
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It is stimulating so I would not after benzo withdrawal....the nerves are in a very raw state....anything stimulating is like adding fuel to the fire....   [End]
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I’m sorry but I have to say I disagree with the advice being given here. I was thrown into full on CFS/AF after a benzo cold turkey and the last thing you want to do is add b complex to an exquisitely sensitive nervous system. Or compound the problem by adding a other pharmecutical. And yes ssris do have a withdrawal,i know many people that have gone thru hell from it. Trix is obviously been lucky so far. The supplements that will help are calming minerals like magnesium, zinc and adding some sulphur to help your liver function since benzos slow down your system and make your liver retai ...
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i personally think this would be near impossible and take way too long even if it was possible...just my 2 cents.   [End]
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the way it works is low blood cooper/biounavailable cooper and low ceruloplasmin = high histamines. high blood copper= low histamines   [End]
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My pleasure:)   [End]
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The fluttering ear sound is definately a histamine thing for me....you should try following a lw histamine diet for one month and you could also try quercitin.....but the diet should do it....I was using supplements but dropped them and doing the diet is working amazingly....it’s not forever just for a while till the histamine levels go down   [End]
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In my experience tinnitus is from high histamines, it’s also known to cause ear pressure and menieres type symptoms. Try looking into it since it goes hand in hand with copper issues. And yes liver clearance s a huge issue...have you tried artichoke hearts or powder?   [End]
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Dr Phieffer of brain bio center believed low hair copper was indicative of high liver copper stores.   [End]
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info on histamines you wanted overtheedge: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/13205110/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1509483/ http://www.healthbyemail.com/the-role-of-histamine-in-mental-illness-and-its-attenuation-with-vitamin-c-part-ii.html http://www.foodsmatter.com/allergy_intolerance/miscellaneous/articles/histamine.html http://www.joanmathewslarson.com/HRC_2006/Depression_06/D_roller_coaster.htm   [End]
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BBQ your tests are classic Wilson’s disease....I also had super low serum copper and unbelievably low ceruloplasmin.....I did read your post and understand it perfectly, and i wrote you a long and detailed post in reply to try and help you. do what you like but I have done hundreds and hundreds of hours of research and talked to people who used Larry Wilson’s method and failed.....you do not want to take extra copper, it is toxic without ceruloplasmin to bind it.... below is the link for calculating free copper http://www.wilsonsdisease.org/wilson-disease-patients/wilsondisease-calc ...
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below is a link to calculate free copper, just put in serum copper and ceruloplasmin in the slots provided and calculate. healthy result should be 5-15, i feel best when mine is at 5   [End]
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It is the ratio between estrogen and progesterone or in men it may be testosterone shows estrogen domnance....it does not mean high estrogen   [End]
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Actually there is a way to calculate free copper using ceruloplasmin and serum copper Ali....they do it for Wilson’s disease....and free copper means unbound causing oxidative damage and getting stored in organs and tissues. I will try to dig up the link with the formula .....sooooo mch research I’ve dne my files are chock full;)   [End]
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Zinc displaces copper in the organs and tissues so though it is technically not a chelator, in that it doesn’t bind and remove copper, t does remove copper stores over time.....   [End]
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BBQ I would suggest the cutler proton on this...look at my old posts. It is the most straight forward and it will work, no doubt. The other things to remember is that if you are low in biounavailable copper you are high histamine, this is a medical fact. And this also means you are undermethylated which means your body is having a very hard time releasing toxins. histamines are not only an actual neurotransmitter but they hyper stimulate the hypothalamus releasing ACTH. This is all well documented in medical research....high histamines can make you have intense panc, breathing problems, he ...
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It does not have adrenaline, it’s only cortex not medulla. I had great success with it for adrenal fatigue crash.   [End]
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Bravo:) best wishes it’s been great to have u as an AF pal!   [End]
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I do t but sub adrene is very close, sublingual tincture made from pure cortex! U can buy on amazon   [End]
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I’m taking a tiny dose, about 25 mgs at this point since I added methionine? Are u?   [End]
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Thanx Omo, I was too lazy to dig it up;)   [End]
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High over dramatized, It takes super high doses to cause it and years of use. 100mgs of zinc gluconate equals about 33mgs elemental zinc....I attached a chart at one point from mayo clinic about therapeutic doses of zinc, they use up to 350 mgs at a time for years on end....Wilsons disease patients use 200 to 300 mgs for life   [End]
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I agree, itwillcausesome issues but don’t over do it, 100 zinc gluconate sounds like plenty   [End]
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Histamine levels are intimately connected with copper....you may want to investigate that. Also a chronic wound could cause histamine to be continually released, and hyperventilating? Also estrogendominancedoes not mean high estrogen, just an imbalance of hormones where estrogen dominates your hormone cascade. Ie progesterone should be 200 percent higher than estrogen, there are formulas to calculate this   [End]
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below is a link discussing how buteyko reduces histamine production. excess histimine is linked to balance issues, problems taking in sensory stimuli and auto immune diseases and many many others. nice find Feo:) http://www.buteykolearning.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=253391&module_id=76806   [End]
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One other thing, I realized that what I thought was low cortisol or hypoglycemia symptoms in the mornng as actually histamine, it is release when you are thirsty of hungry and in times of stress...so suddenly I would feel off balance, heavy limbs, weird vision, anxious etc. in the morning with adrenaline surges. All this is documented to be related to histamine release which is connected to inner ear disorders.   [End]
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I am doing 100mgs of b6 spread thru out the day, this is according to dr. Pfieffers recommendation at the brain bio center. And the calcium d glucarate is unique in that it’s not only calcium but something that reduces estrogen and ”dirty” recirculating hormones and detoxes cells. I am using 500 mgs 3 times a day, people reccommend up to 4grams since it is only a fruit acid without any side or negative effects. Important tonite too,there are 2 different types of histamine issues and in my view two types of AF, the histapenic overmethylator that will do better on folic acid and b 12 and ...
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Ps forgot to include the final nail in the coffin was that I tried sublingual b 12 and fold acid and within a day my anxiety and all other symptoms were thru the roof. Folic acid and b 12 raise histimine levels.... That was the major clue   [End]
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Hi all, I’ve had an interesting couple of weeks to say the least. As most of you know I did a 6 month copper detox and have been doing great, I’ve reduced my zinc to 50 mgs and still avoiding high copper foods.....but something happened....something that helped me finally figure out why I haven’t tackled that last 20 percent back to vibrant health....why at times in my monthly cycle I would suddenly get heightened sensory symptoms again or pressure in my ears, head pressure, excess mucus, derealization,brain fog etc. About 4 weeks ago I left for new orleans to edit my novel and take som ...
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When one has adrenal fatigue we are usually undermethylated which means histamines can rise in the system very easily. Lemon and cayenne are both high histamine foods and this could cause the. Symtoms u describe. Have a look at carl pfieffers book on orthomolecular psyciatry at the condition of histadelia, it is related to biounavailable copper which is aa factor in AF.   [End]
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Very important factor to remember though. Adding nac early on if the person is severely coppertoxic and storing it inn liver and deep tissues will cause mobilization that will overwhelm the detox ccapabilities and cause neurologic and organ damage as seen on occasion when chelators are used in wilsons disease patients before zinc loading. Cutler also. Warns against this. I would not add nac until atleast 2 week mark of detox   [End]
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From what I have learned thhe sequence of events usually plays out like this: years of high stress levels lead to low hormones levels, progessterone steal andd pregnenalone steal which in turn causes esstrogen dominance. Estrogen dominance causing copper retention which in turn causes panic, anxiety etc. And damages endocrine glands and lowers methonine thru zinc displacement. Methonine is a protien that detoxes metals and estrogen so its pretty much a vicious cycle in that high copper will constantly overstimulate adrenals and hpa axis causing zinc and methalione loss and estrogen dominan ...
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I love this forum...what an amazing wealth of information tucked into a URL:)   [End]
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Now that you mention it my Bloodsugar has been very stable.....I do take chromium, it comes in the EMERGEN C packet, I take it twice a day. And yes I think the enzymes take the burden off the liver. I don’t take hcl only a bit f raw apple cider vinegar before meals. I think the enzymes from what I’ve read are also what the body uses to manufacture energy   [End]
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You’d be surprised what u can tolerate when u don’t have alot of options;)   [End]
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That’s unfortunately how I felt before the detox....life was brutal so I didn’t have a choice   [End]
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Hi hope, I was so weak I was bed ridden, breathing was even difficult, felt like an elephant on my chest. Could not carry a conversation without almost passiing out. Seriously I. Thought I might die anyday. Then thru research I found my answer. I was very agressive with my detox and probably overdid it. But I seriously felt my time was running out. Maybe u can work with someone who knows how to do it at a slow pace?   [End]
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Hi omo, I belive its the increased bile flow with artchoke hearts. They say italso regenerates liver tissue. Also from my resert the pancreas like all the endocrine glands takes a huge hit with copper. I used to have amazing digestion before all this started   [End]
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I would check dhea, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone and cortisol. I’m not a fan of saliva tests but they are helpful for figuring out your cortisol curve.   [End]
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hi over the edge, the first month was really tough, all my symptoms were amplified everytime i took zinc they i started feeling better gradually but still cntinued dumping copper...the dumps are just MUCH milder now, i’m on my 6th month....i started feeling pretty darn good by month 3   [End]
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hi feo, glad u liked it, here’s a couple more written by the people who pioneered C toxicity back in the 70s, lucky enough my protocol was almost identical to what they do for kids with autism and copper toxicity...even down to the zinc loading to start...spooky....i think ”the force” was with me.... http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walsh.htm http://www.bbbautism.com/dan_william_walsh.htm   [End]
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i bought canned artichokes but they only have water and salt in them, no preservatives.   [End]
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Hi Ruffneck, I recommend ceruloplasmin & serum copper but unfortunately testing is not always accurate. you can do a challenge test, meaning if his dose zinc make you have copper dumping symptoms you are most definately copper toxic. that’s what i did   [End]
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i wish there was a gentler way but from all my research this is our only option. it does get much better over time if it’s any consolation.....i’m having a rough one today because i’m copper dumping. i know i still have some in my tissues because i can feel the nerve pain when it comes out which the copper detox experts talk about...i get like a burning sensation and prickling, my mind races and i get a rush or anxious energy and it’s not until i have a bm that it goes. i think the low copper diet, high zinc and now addition of digestive enzymes and the fact that my bile got flowing with ...
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http://www.westonaprice.org/mentalemotional-health/metals-and-the-mind   [End]
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Hi hope, we seem to parallel each other in so many ways. I also had the same issue with bowel movements... This has reduced greatly but it’s still about 20 percent there along with my other issues. I’ve found that since the detox everything is so much improved but still has a bit too go to cross the finish line...I guess it’s like loosing weight, a person can lose a bunch but then have the toughest time with the last ten pounds;) I also feel a bit like its causing a detox do you?   [End]
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Here’s another great article in layman’s terms discussing HCL and copper http://www.biowaves.com/Articles/MT/Metallothionein02.php and one that talks about progesterone raising methallioniene which is a protien that binds heavy metals and makes them not toxic http://www.sinica.edu.tw/zool/zoolstud/41.1/111.pdf   [End]
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Hi Armstrong, have you detoxed copper? I saw you discussing it in other posts   [End]
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Hi pally:) Thanx for the positive reinforcement. I just love connecting the dots...it’s like solving a mystery....   [End]
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oh how the plot thickens!! every single symptom i have is explained by copper overload....amazing. also my BM are totally normal after using artichoke hearts after each meal...i eat just a couple of quarters of them..bm’s formed and chocolate colored!! who ever thought one could be so excited looking at thier own poop!! http://umsms.siteturbine.com/faculty/faculty_files/publications/450/ChenEtAl02ETC.pdf below is another about heavy metals and enzymes http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=120   [End]
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Great info Thanx! The enzymes are great so far, really making a difference!   [End]
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Hi all, so I’m now trying to conquer my last 2 issues. Digestion and My estrogen dominance. Levels improved a ton but it’s still higher than progesterone and i read high estrogen keeps testosterone low which is the case for me. I am researching calcium d glucarate. I’ve read great things about its ability to lower estrogen and detox it and cells, anyone try this?   [End]
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hi, what do you mean if taken on an empty stomach they will act systemic?   [End]
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below is a link to ones i take...just started so jury is still out:) http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=en&q=source+naturals+digestive+enzymes&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3491128481466462599&sa=X&ei=w4vPTsHnMsqcgQfl48DUDQ&ved=0CH4Q8wIwAQ#ps-sellers   [End]
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hi ali, it’s source naturals brand digestive enzymes, very basic. i noticed the energy abut 5 minutes after taking them and it happened every time so i don’t think it’s a fluke....also since starting artichoke hearts twice a day my bm’s are formed and brown!! i think the last componnent to my healing is my digestion...copper toxicity damages liver and pancreas so it makes sense that i would be struggling in that department. i also use a tsp of apple cider vinegar for stomach acids and it really helps   [End]
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I just tried digestive enzymes from source natural they seem to give me an energy boost. Normal or no?   [End]
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Andy Cutler himself says copper toxicity is much more prevelant than mercury...he even suggests trying the copper detx fist to see if you feel better since it’s so much easier than the mercury detox....   [End]
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