I don’t know about chiropractor, but possibly. I had mercury poisoning so I found my local holistic dentist to safely remove the fillings. He also did orthapedic dentistry and immediately spotted my bite problem and told me he thought that was a bigger issue affecting me than the mercury. He works with a cranial osteopath and he got me to have treatment with him to invesigate further. He immediately spotted that I had a twist in my spine that was responsible for misaligned jaw. My mum says she seems to remember I had the cord wrapped around my neck. X-Rays confirmed what the dentist ...
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My adrenal fatigue is due to vagus nerve impingement. I had a twist in my spine at birth from the cord being wrapped around my neck that affected the alignment of my jaw causing an overbite. X-Rays and dental models confirmed misaligned cranial bones and dentist and cranial osteopath were both of the opinion that it was vagus nerve impingement as a result. I just started orthapedic dentistry 5 days ago and I’m wearing a brace to align the jaw bones correctly. It’s like I’m locked in fight/flight permanently as a result. It’s like the accelerator pedal is on full and the brace will s ...
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I had my mercury fillings taken out about 3 weeks ago. However the dentist said that I had an 80% over bite with my top jaw out of position with front top teeth hanging over the front bottom teeth. This causes tension in my jaw which affects the spine. My dentist works with a cranial osteopath and I had my first cranial treatment last week. He said that the tension in my jaw and therefore spine was the probable causes of my adrenal and digestive problems. That first cranial treatment has had a huge effect on how I feel. It looks like I’ll be needing dental treatment to align my jaw p ...
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I’m in the UK, you can get a self test kit for less than a tenner here... http://www.detoxpeople.eu/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4 I was told I had mercury toxicity following a hair analysis test from here... http://www.integralhealth.org/   [End]
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http://www.tuberose.com/Mercury.html Most of the AF stuff is towards the end of the article, but it’s all relevant.   [End]
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I’m in the UK and been with Dr.Lam since June. I’ve gone from stage 3C to 2/3A. I ooped with their supplements fine. But after about 5 months my bowels decided they couldn’t tolerate Quantum. I’m also with http://www.integralhealth.org/   [End]
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I got mine here... http://www.equilibrauk.com/acatalog/Basic_Earthing_Grounding_Mats.html I ordered the mattress pad but they do foot pads you can stick under your desk whilst at work. You can also get them here.. http://www.royriggs.co.uk/Roy/Earthing_Sheets.html I’m in the UK so these are UK based sellers.   [End]
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I got myself an earthing sheet for my bed last week. Too early to report any benefits. But here is an interesting article linking the benefits of sleeping grounded to recovery from adrenal fatigue... http://www.healthytimesonline.com/archives/earthing.htm For those who wonder what I’m on about, grounding is walking barefoot. This connects you to the to the electric field of the earth and it neutralizes free radicals, prevents inflammation and regulates cortisol production. Grounding bed sheets are made of conductive material which you lie on and this is plugged into the earth pin ...
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I think they are all the same as they all contain Pantesin which is a trade marked ingredient and is only manufactured by one company   [End]
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Dorine Lam told me the heat make you tire 50% quicker with adrenal fatigue. I had problems with the summer heat as well.   [End]
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I’ve got AF and receding gums. I started taking a product called Ora MD about 6 weeks ago. Apparently receding gums are caused by bad bacteria in the mouth and Ora MD kills these bacteria and allows the gums to grow back. My gums are firmer and pinker but it’s too soon to notice any improvement in the receding gums. http://www.oramd.com I believe AF also causes gum recession by creating the catabolic state that breaks down collagen in the body. I’m a client of Dr. Lam and I take his Dermagen product which is a collagen product for reversing the catabolic process.   [End]
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L-glutamine is supposed to be good for healing the lining of the gut when you have leaky gut.   [End]
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Why not simply get a self test kit for heavy metals? http://www.detoxpeople.eu/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4   [End]
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http://www.amazon.com/Why-Always-Tired-Correcting-Imbalance/dp/0062515942/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283151824&sr=1-1   [End]
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And why is it that just about every species on this planet makes it’s own vitamin C apart from man (with a couple of exceptions)? A goat makes about 13,000mg of vitamin C a day. I think human adrenals are under far more stress than those of a goat? These mega doses that people like Pauling and Lam suggest taking are around the minimum levels that most animals produce daily.   [End]
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This is the kind of total nonsense study that’s been funded by big pharma. They are constantly trying to undermine natural forms of medicine and get laws introduced so that all supplements can only be sold as drugs which only the drug companies will sell that will be virtually useless. I’ve quickly googled codex for you and this article sums it up... http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html You should also read up on Linus Pauling and his research into Vitamin C. He won the nobel prize twice and is often considered to be the greatest scientist of ...
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What dosage were you on after 7 months? I’ve been with Lam 3 months. I was taking 5tsp liponano, 5 pandrenal, 4 scoops quantum and 8 c-support. Then I cut back by 50% and felt a lot better. I was gettings lots of aches and Dorine said I needed a rest from the supplements. She wants me to resume at 100% end of next week. I’m not sure this is necessary at the moment as I am improving a lot as it is.   [End]
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The WHO (that’s the World Health Organization not the rock band) have recognized adrenal fatigue as a real condition... http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/286390   [End]
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I’m with Lam and he only charges the $400 fee up front and the first consultation lasts about an hour. In my case 1 1/4 hours. The 15 minute consultations you talk are the follow ups which are about $75 each. Lam is pretty cheap when I take into consideration that I must have spent at least a 5 figure sum over 15 years seeing therapists and buying supplements without success because the underlying problem has been AF which not a single person I’ve seen has even understood and probably not even heard of.   [End]
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Just discovered a new AF book. I don’t have it but I’m sure others will want to get it... http://jenbusch.com/   [End]
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I’m going to continue with Dr.Lam until my adrenals are a lot better first.   [End]
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I got it done from here... http://www.integralhealth.org/ The only prescription you need is your credit card. That is in the UK. Many people on have here used labs in the US that use Dr. Eck’s test... http://www.drlwilson.com/do%20hair%20analysis.htm   [End]
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I was researching the connection between AF and mercury toxicity and found the following... http://www.medical-library.net/adrenal_fatigue_info.html I recently had a DNA hair analysis test done that revealed high levels of mercury. This quote is particulary interesting... ”Now let me tell you the most common cause of adrenal fatigue, even more important that chronic stress: mercury overload. Mercury interfers with the enzymes which manufacture the adrenal hormones. The most common cause of mercury overload is dental fillings, the same kind which dentists install by the megaton ...
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I’ve got 2 fillings, but only 1 amalgam. It’s been there about 25 years. I’ve got adrenal fatigue. Whether the toxic metals had anything to do with it I’ve no idea. I’m not doing anything Dr. Shohet says until I get the all clear from Dr. Lam as my adrenals need to be strong to cope with a heavy metal detox.   [End]
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I’m in the UK. I just had a hair DNA test done from Dr. Sam Shohet... http://www.integralhealth.org/ He told me I had heavy metal toxicity (mercury, tin and thallium). All 3 of those are ingredients in Amalgam fillings. He tells you what he thinks you need to know so you don’t get loads of data. You get a letter explaining what he has found rather than a list of all the different minerals, toxins etc in the body and much you have of each. There is also... http://www.bionetics.co.uk I had one done from Bionetics about 5 years ago but I think Dr. Shohet is better and mor ...
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Contact Dr. Lam... http://www.drlam.com/ This might help... Get hold of the book ”Why am I Always so Tired?, Discover How Correcting Your Body’s Copper Balance Can...” by Ann Louise Gittlemane.   [End]
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I take a quantum and liponano C about 15 mins before breakfast and lunch (7am and 12pm). Then take the pills with the actual meal. I’m not sure that it matters.   [End]
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5 pandrenal, cut back to 3 at the moment. Plus 3 * 500mg pantothenic acid. I didn’t cut that back.   [End]
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The funny thing is that even though I am feeling better by cutting back to 50% my loose stools came back. My loose stools had completely cleared up the last few weeks whilst taking supplements at max dosage. As soon as I cut back the stools became loose again.   [End]
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I went all the way up to max dose without any side effects. But started to get very tired and achey after being at max dose for a couple of weeks.   [End]
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Started on 4 scoops of Quantum and 1/4 tsp twice a day of Liponano and increased to 5 tsp a day over about 2 months.   [End]
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Something for you guys to think about if you get stuck on Lam’s protocol... My recovery with Lam hit a brickwall recently where I didn’t seem to get any better and I was a lot more achey and fatigued. Dorine told me to reduce the supplements to 50% for 2 days each week to give my body a rest. I found that as soon I cut back 50% the aches would go away and I would have more energy. Dorine said I’m probably resetting and to stick at 50% dosage for the time being. After 4 days on 50% dosage I’ve had my most energetic day yet. I was able to travel into town on a shopping trip for the ...
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Try magnesium citrate 400mg. Magnesium oxide is used in colon cleaning products like Oxy-Powder and Colosan to clean your bowels so will have a detox effect not a nutritional effect. It’s the cheapest form of magnesium and has no nutritional benefit so you are wasting your time taking it for AF.   [End]
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I’ve been with Lam 2 months now. A couple of weeks ago I had a DNA hair analysis test done to find the underlying cause. The doctor who carried it out said that I had high levels of mercury, thallium and tin. All of these are ingredients of amalgam fillings. He thought that this was probably the cause of most of my health problems. Lam says my adrenals aren’t strong enough to cope with a heavy metal detox yet. I’m sticking with what Lam says until they feel I am ready as I don’t want to cause a crash.   [End]
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I think AF causes variable temperatures. Whereas thyroid causes low or high temperature depending on whether hypo or hyper. Read this... http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph   [End]
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Don’t stick anything in the microwave! EVER! Microwaves do more than just cook your food! Do a bit of research. I feel exhausted if I eat anything that has been cooked in a microwave. Which isn’t surprising if you read this... http://www.relfe.com/microwave.html   [End]
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So what’s the solution to copper overload? Is it something that fixes itself once the adrenals are fixed?   [End]
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No it didn’t measure copper or zinc levels.   [End]
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Thanks, but my test is a completely different format. It just shows food intolerances and that I’ve got problems with toxic metals. This isn’t the test created by Dr.Eck. I chose this particular test as the doctor who does it is local and has a good reputation and I’m on the lookout for a good therapist that I can go and see once I’m ready to take the next step when Lam has dealt with the worst of the AF. I want to try and identify the underlying causes that may have contributed to my AF. But it looks like the Eck test may well reveal a lot more information. What will it tell m ...
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I just got the results back from my DNA hair analysis. The main thing it reported was that most of my health problems probably have toxic metals as the underlying cause. Especially mercury, tin and thallium. There’s probably not much I can do about this just yet until my adrenals are better as I don’t want to be eliminating toxic metals and crashing my adrenals. Anybody else here got toxic metals problems as a possible underlying cause of AF? This is where I got the test done... http://www.integralhealth.org/   [End]
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Hi Trick X Master, The only exercise I’ve been doing is walking. I’ve been walking up to 3 miles a couple of times a day. There’s been a couple of dips in my recovery path so far. I’m in one right now. I’m not sure whether I over did it a little bit or what. I’ve been struggling with the heat. I’m feeling quite weak the last 2 or 3 days and haven’t been able to walk as far. I haven’t been able to try anything more strenuous than walking as I’ve had really bad fatigue in my legs for years and haven’t been able to run for a long time. I prefer exercising on a rebounder for this ...
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I was stage 3C and now 3A. I’m on about 15,000mg of vitamin C, 5 tsp Liponano C, 8 x C-Support, 4 scoops Quantum. I had to build up slowly obviously.   [End]
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1,500mg according to Wilson and Lam. Best to buy some B5 rather than swallowing 150 of your multi pills.   [End]
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No Unicorns, are you saying my thinning hair and bald patch can grow back as my AF improves? Are receding gums part of the catabolic process too?   [End]
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The first thing is the vitamin C challenge. He’ll get you to take any old rubbish vitamin C to see how much you can tolerate. If you pass that okay you will have to take 3 types of vitamin C - Liponano C, C-Support and Quantum, as well as Pandrenal from here... http://www.supplementclinic.com/ Plus any old pantothenic acid which you can buy anywhere. But don’t try and self medicate yourself based on what other people are doing as it’s the dosage that’s the important thing. You can end up making yourself worse as the dosage needs to be matched to what you body is able to cope wi ...
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Stage 3C to 3A in 6 weeks for me. Was virtually housebound 3 weeks ago and couldn’t go to the shops. Can now walk 3 miles and almost ready to go back to work. Dr.Lam says average client takes 3 months for a 50% improvement. I seem to have done it in half that. Lam will start off by giving you a challenge to see how much vitamin C you can tolerate before starting you on the hard stuff.   [End]
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She never mentioned protein specifically, just food.   [End]
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I’m taking it with Ribogy. Before and after exercise. Dorine said take some food with it as Ribogy affects blood sugar levels.   [End]
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Dorine (Dr.Lam’s nutritionist) says that the chronic fatigue symptoms I have in my legs that prevent me from being able to run are caused by the catabolic effect of adrenal fatigue. I started taking Dermagen (Hydrolyzed Collagen Type I & III) about two weeks ago. Is anybody else using this? If so how long does this take to be effective?   [End]
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I’ve gone from stage 3C to 3A in 6 weeks with Lam. Dorine told me to order some Adrenal Boost yesterday. It contains adaptogens and glandulars which I thought Lam didn’t use. These can make things worse when you have advanced AF. It seems that Lam does use these after all but only when you are in sight of the finishing line in your AF recovery.   [End]
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It begins the sprouting process and makes the nutrients more easily available to the body.   [End]
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Not much point starting licorice as Dorine will almost certainly tell you to stop taking it on Friday. She will probably tell you to eat soaked almonds before going to bed. Those soaked nuts helped with my insomnia.   [End]
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This must be it... http://curezone.com/faq/c.asp?a=4,101,2977   [End]
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I’ve just had a look at that. Liponano C is actually 60% stronger with 1600mg per teaspoon, compared to 1000mg this other product has. Maybe that’s why it doesn’t irritate you as much.   [End]
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You might find this of interest... http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph Low temperature is supposed to be hypothyroid whilst fluctuating temperatures indicate adrenal problems. So sounds like both are going on to me with one affecting the other. It probably isn’t one or the other, as one effects the other. Dr.Lam told me that I have Adrenal Thyroid Axis Imbalance. 80% of people with adrenal fatigue also have thyroid issues because one influences the other. I have symptoms of low thyroid, but as the adrenal problems are fixed the thyroid should improve as ...
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No, not good enough to come off. I’m only on week 6 and only just reached 2tsp twice a day of Liponano C. I’m probably about 40% better, can cope with day to day activities like shopping but not quite ready to go back to work or do social activity. I’ll be on the supplements for a while yet, I’m just trying to get an idea of how much it’s going to end up costing me. I end up buying 3 months supply of something, then Dorine doubles my dosage and all of sudden I’ve only got 6 weeks supply.   [End]
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Those of you who have been with Dr.Lam for a while, how long did it take before you could start reducing the amount of supplements you take? I’m on 4 tsp of LipoNano C a day, that’s one bottle every 12 days. This is going to get very expensive if I stay at this dose for very long.   [End]
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I don’t think anybody gets better on anti-depressants. That will probably just put extra toxic load on the liver. Do you actually feel depressed or is it your doctor telling you that you are depressed? I tried telling my doctor I had AF and she thought I was depressed as she had never heard of adrenal fatigue. I find melatonin pills to be the best thing I have found for helping me get to sleep when I have insomnia due to AF. Some people benefit from valerian.   [End]
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Lam’s nutritionist Dorine told me sex is OK but NO ejaculation.   [End]
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Dorine’s reply was to cut down on exercise by 50% for the next few days. And do adrenal breathing exercises if I felt wired.   [End]
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I’ve done 5 weeks with Lam so far. I started noticing improvements after about 3 weeks. After 4-5 weeks I have been able to do my own shopping and go for a 2 mile walk. 2 weeks ago I was virtually housebound and had to order my food online and couldn’t go more than 5 minutes from my home. I’ve had chronic fatigue and agoraphobia for years. I’m almost back to the point where I was before I had a massive crash 2 months ago. I’ve still got a long way to go as I had adrenal fatigue for years. So after 1 month with Lam I must have made a 40-50% improvement, they told me that would take ...
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I’m recovering from adrenal fatigue and I’ve had a return of insomnia the last couple of nights where I have been awake until about 3AM. I have increased my exercise at lunch time to a 2 mile / 30 minute walk. This is the most I have done in 2 months and I have completed 5 weeks on Lam’s protocol. I expect this insomnia is the result of the adrenalin released due to the increased exercise. I also experienced some agoraphobia on the walk home which didn’t help. Have other people on here had worsening insomnia as you try to do more exercise when recovering from adrenal fatigue? No ...
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I’m continuing to improve daily. Walking a bit further each day and feeling better for doing so. Sleeping well. Hoping to go back to work next week after being off for two months. My main challenge is going far away from my home as I don’t know whether I have recovered enough to deal with the agoraphobia. I have been with Dorine 5 weeks now, and started to improve after about 3 weeks.   [End]
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As well as adrenal fatigue I also have psoriasis. I was wondering if anybody here with AF also has psoriasis and whether you skin has cleared up when the AF gets better? My feeling is that the psoriasis is caused by the congested liver which clogs up due to the AF. I expect that I will have to fix my AF and then flush my liver completely to get rid of the psoriasis. Can anybody comment on this? I have had psoriasis for about 15 years. If this was caused by AF and liver congestion, then I may have had AF for at least 15 years?   [End]
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Best thing I ever did for my bowels was the Blessed Herbs colon cleanse kit. But I’m going to wait until I’m free of adrenal fatigue before doing it again.   [End]
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My chronic fatigue symptoms all disappered and I felt great. I thought that at the time I was close to being cured because I felt so good. Great sense of well being. I had 200 less stones in my liver. They were bigger and darker than in previous flushes which is supposed to be as sign that they are coming from deeper in the liver and therefore coming to the end of my flushes.   [End]
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I guess I don’t know 100% for sure. The benefits of the flush lasted a few days and then went continuosly downhill. That was the most obvious potential stressor that occurred at the time. And because of Lam saying that weak adrenals can’t cope with the detox process and would have caused the crash.   [End]
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I was only on Lam’s supplements for a little over two months, so something got better. I assumed you were still on them. So what are you taking at the moment, if anything? If I recall you started with Lam about 5-6 months ago, so you must have been off them for about 3 months? My liver flush induced crash didn’t happen until days and weeks after the flush. I felt great to start and kept going downhill until I crashed completely.   [End]
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It’s 97.88, plenty of convertors online... http://www.onlineconversion.com/temperature.htm   [End]
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That’s not the same Quantum. Quantum is only available from supplementclinic.com and is made by Pure Horizon and comes in a big white tub as a powder.   [End]
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I was taking magnesium citrate 400mg a day before I started with Lam. Dorine told me to continue taking it. This is also the advice from Dr Wilsons book. He describes magnesium citrate as like a spark plug for the adrenals.   [End]
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I’ve been with Lam 4 weeks now. I started to experience improvements towards the end of week 3. A week ago I could only manage one or two 5-10 minute walks a day. In just a few days I’ve been able to increase to about three 20 minute walks day and not only that, also feel better afterwards. I’d been really ill for the last 2 months. I must have been at stage 3B for years and then I had a crash which left me at 3C and I’ve since been off work for 2 months and virtually housebound. I believe I’ve had adrenal fatigue for years without knowing what it was. The main symptoms have been ...
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I can’t put on weight. Through what I’ve learnt from Dr.Lam regarding my AF, my understanding is that the metabolic process becomes compromised. This leads to a catabolic state where the body breaks down it’s own lean muscle tissue to provide energy. I’ve experienced weight loss in the last few weeks as my AF has worsened. Digestive processes slow down due to the body being in fight or flight all the time. I have had loose stools for ages as though food passes through me to quickly without being digested properly.   [End]
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I’m never doing Epsom salts again. Anything that’s harsh on the kidneys can’t do the adrenals any good with them sitting on top. I hear magnesium citrate can be used instead. This is one of the recommended nutrients for adrenal fatigue so I’ll try this next time. Not sure the dosage though, I take 400mg every day for AF.   [End]
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Be careful with the liver flushing, I crashed my adrenals after my last flush. I flushed my liver every 3 weeks for a year not realising the liver was congested due to my adrenals. Chanca Piedra is an Amazon rain forest herb that means ”stone breaker”, you can take it as a tea or tincture. This might be a safer way of healing the liver rather than getting hundreds of stones out in one go. This is a good website for liver detoxing... http://www.sensiblehealth.com/   [End]
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I found this fairly recent article in a mainstream UK newspaper about adrenal fatigue. I found it of interest so decided to post it here. It’s written by somebody who has obviously read Dr. Wilson’s book. It still portrays adrenal fatigue as fairly mild though and neglects those of us with severe adrenal fatigue. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1242219/Tired-Irritable-Sex-drive-low-Are-suffering-21st-Century-syndrome.html   [End]
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I would drop Dr.Lam an email or phone him and get his opinion. I’ve got adrenal fatigue and I’ve not come across anybody who knows anywhere near as much as he does on the subject. http://www.drlam.com   [End]
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I ordered Amygdala Retraining yesterday after learning about it on this forum. It sounds like a good way to implement the lifestyle changes needed to overcome adrenal fatigue.   [End]
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I found out I had adrenal fatigue about 3 weeks ago after experiencing a crash following a liver flush. A kinesiologist tested me and found an adrenal weakness. I was doing regular flushes for the last 12 months and got out over 2000 stones and over 200 on the last flush and they were the biggest stones I’d ever got out. I felt the best I’d ever felt in years but after a few days started to get very tired and couldn’t tolerate any kind of stress. This went on for about 3 weeks after the flush until I experience a crash. Since reading Dr.Lams website and Dr.Wilsons book I realized th ...
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