Thanks Newport. Agreed with RRR. Thanks, whoever the moderator was. All the White Rose leaflets need careful study. They offer an excellent assessment of the terrible toll this disposition brings, personally and publically, and the trauma that comes with this attitude. Along with Levi, Grossmann, Solzhenitsyn and many others the White Rose leaflets are one of the great historical portraits of fascism. Thanks, Newport, for the reminder. T2.   [End]
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Prof T: ””I find it a strange coincidence also that iodine is used commercially to make acetic acid, and ACV is primarily acetic acid itself.”” An interesting curio at least, thanks. T2.   [End]
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Yep, Happy Easter to all. Hey trapper, Granted description possibly more appropriate: Leda and the Swan. V=Zeus. T2   [End]
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Silica and phosprorus important for teeth. Esp Si. Mg, bone broths as mentioned. Good diet - eliminating grain carbs. Getting detox in good shape with no inflammation important. T2   [End]
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Grizz I love your work. Well done T2   [End]
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The issue isn’t whether it triggers digestion or not. The issue is does this procedure help a water fast? I cannot see how it can - who knows for sure? On the first fast stick to the script. Your emotional issues will be well handled during your fast. Enjoy that process for now. Enjoy your water, enjoy your rest. T2   [End]
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Hello Lexi 2014, Stay with the iodine but consider: Are you a mouth breather? Buteyko may help. T2. http://www.buteykodvd.com/books/unblock_the_nose.html http://www.buteykobreathing.co.nz/Sinusitis.html   [End]
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Hello peksi, archus’ comments are excellent. archus lovely post. I enjoy you whenever you post. How are you these days? T2   [End]
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Almost certainly Mucoid Plaque.   [End]
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Detox? Individual and questions exist as to how much happens. No definitive answer possible. How much rest are you getting? Preparation?   [End]
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ACV in water is not advised for water fasting. The reason is as you ask: ””will stop the healing process, in a way that would off set the benefits of a water only fast.”” 21+ days wiht good diet and preparation should be a treat. Rest well. Is this yur first fast? If so do prep properly have good support and have an organised re-feeding program.   [End]
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Yep, F is correct, B 12. Elsewhere, a while ago, there was discussion of coconut oil, brain nutrition, and Alzheiner’s - being a brain feeding, insulin resistance ”type 3 diabetes” issue. Can’t remember where. Intro here: http://coconutoil.com/coconut-oil-research-alzheimers/ T2   [End]
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Don’t think too much about ’completion’ - focus day to day. Nausea etc is best left to ”heal” before starting re-feed. Break the fast on an ”up”.   [End]
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Sounds fairly typical to me. Fasting after a health issue like you describe is a good idea. The experience of going in and out of feeling well is usual. The ”repairs” usually happen in sequence as you outline. Hang in there, tell huby that all is well and make him supportive particularly during re-feeding . It’s tough. At times you’ll wonder is this good? Yes it is, don’t worry. Not needing much water is a good sign as are the healing cycles. T2   [End]
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Have you considered six month’s magnesium supplementation?   [End]
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The soil chemistry vid: couple of important points.   [End]
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Glaxony your post before last is wonderful. Thanks for both the honesty and the sentiments. Having read you here for some time I wondered and now you have filled me in. Thanks for both the honesty and openness. Every respect. T2   [End]
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Years ago D turned up with the kids and ”stayed”. D asked me to talk at his wedding. Privileged I was. Howqua. I & D, Proud Parents, Happy Siblings, All Friends: We came across rolling hills, Sight, fresh with after-rain green. A salute with good riddance to the past parched summer. Autumn now, the quite easy season, Soft moisture floats in the morning air. Blue tongues and Jacky lizards sleek with fat seek winter’s sleep. Fat laden Bogongs swarm to mate. The Howqua - home of the perfect blue-grey And Mistletoe symbol of the lovers grip. We come from ...
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Another view for Amy: Is dietry complexity the issue? http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/dr-oz-on-gut-flora-repair.html And related for another view of Paleo/diet : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402009/ Few people realise how unvarying most ”primitive ”diets were/are. However these ”boring” diets support both excellent gut biome and health. Biome strength/complexity is just as important as nutritional excellence for health. Poor biome despite excellent nutrition can continue to cause health issues. T2   [End]
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Hello ikop, Reading this fasting after good preparation may be good for you. T2   [End]
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Hello Grizz thanks for this and your other suggestion re chelation forum. Read both I do. This can lead to the ”Magic Pill/Forum” mentality on CZ - here for one thing there for another. Connections in the eyes of the beholden rather than others. For example in many discussions about fluoride in water chloride often doesn’t come up. Chlorine in re-action with many organic substances (including fruits and vegetables) produces some dreadful substances to describe just one issue. Chlorine appears to play a roll in fluorine/bromine substitution. Running ”we shall be relevant” can ...
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HE thanks for this. I’ve puzzled for a long time why there isn’t more consideration of humates within CZ. Yes this is OT. Here is a very brief intro: The term humates is used to describe all the complexes formed during organic matter decompostion. Humic and fulvic acids are but two of these. Many of the substances we normally associate with ”live” foods are still present in available forms within humates. For example vitamins, amino acids, hormones, flavonoids, and minerals et al and all in organic forms. Also held in these complexes are many organic forms of contaminates. ...
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Katrine, Stay the course you are on. Personally I prefer Dry Fasting for the reasons you mention, but I wouldn’t recommend it for someone without some fasting experience. I am not sure about the ”3=1” description. I prefer to think of dry fasting as different to water fasting. I have no idea what doing a dry fast after a significant period of water fasting would do. I cannot think of anyone who might have done it and written it up. You are well into it now. Stay where you are and we’ll try to find out about the possibilities of going to a dry fast after a significant dura ...
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GG:””What about picking on the arsenic, cadmium etc (instead of my posts lately); and post something about how to overcome this health threat? I would appreciate very much.”” Yes, I understand your reaction. Rest assured that the way that has happened was not intentional. The last post? - yes - that is a response to your post. My first post in this thread is not a response to your cadmium post. You posted while I was commenting on the previous thread. I didn’t see your post till after I posted. Sorry - inadvertant impression. I am wary of going down the ”chelation” route in ...
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http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/ARSENIC.htm Quote: ””However, I have read reports of the communist Chinese using it in salt, particularly in Australia, to weaken the people. ”” Brilliant - Yep, nothing surer : Real Brill. ””The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.”” From Yeats, ”The Second Coming”. https://xkcd.com/386/ (GG: these comments are about the above Wilson quote - nothing else.) T2.   [End]
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A great job Katrine. Stay in bed you are doing fine. Indeed excellent would be a better description. Nothing you describe is unusual. Three cheers to the supportive husband. Have you worded him up on the difficulties of refeeding? Well done, T2.   [End]
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Do some time on IMAM and excellent nutrition to boost both your adrenals and your underlying nutritional state. Then a fast after good preparations would be a good body support to realign your ”chemistry”. Hope Chrisb1 is well. T2   [End]
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RE diet sounds goods but perhaps an occasional sweet potatoe would be wise. Your Lugols reaction is a giveaway. Read the iodine supplementation site on CZ to realise why. Re: supplements I suspect too many here and not enough reliance on diet. Carefully examine each know why tou are taking them and then walk yourself slowly in to these and see if you still require them. Re contraception, Is it possible for you to have a time off these. (I recognise and understanding the difficulty.) It is just another possible factor affecting you body which may be unfavourable. Have yo ...
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Hopefully, anyone trusting a machine to tell them everything is as smart as the machine. Because a substance has High X doesn’t mean that upon digestion any or all X will be released and absorbed. Any knowledge of humates: humic and fulvic acids et al or the bonds for many sorts of chelation/detox should make that point abundantly clear. T2.   [End]
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Hey V, this is how to play. Casals and Heifetz said he was the one. The only known visual record of Emanuel Feuermann playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1NMBh47mGw   [End]
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BB says it well. 178560 I couldn’t agree more with this from BB: ””It’s time to slow down and do it right.”” Some of your reactions, emotional and food wise, are due to ”body stresses”: Nutritional deficiencies, Hormonal imbalances and the like. In part fasting will make these easier to handle but the bigger issue as BB says is nutrition. Be patient, in your case, very patient. Do you have any meditation practices? Something that allows you to steady yourself and not allow that lively mind of yours to run your show is important. Have a look at mindful meditation, Get a ...
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Enjoy the beach - Everyone is different - all that sand - not for me. Restless - great sign - body functioning well and not overwhelmed by toxicity. Completely sedentary can be very good for recovery. At some stage in your life you may find that it is appropriate. For myself (3 times your age) the early fasts were all sedentary, afterwards I kept on working during a fast. Now I use short fasts to break patterns including exercise patterns. Deep rest I call it. Perhaps related - the healthier I am the less exercise I maintain fitness. Fasting muscle ”wastage” is a slow pro ...
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””He’d never mention the ”P” word. I tried to encourage him to go to do a supervised fast but he was stubborn and had to do it his way.”” Agreed 78419. He didn’t seem to want to move away from his own diagnosis. My thoughts go to him. All the best WY. T2   [End]
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Every thought in support. Sheep sorrel Rumex acetosella is the same plant/species as ordinary qarden/cooking sorrel. So that may be another source for you. Nurserys regularly have it here (Australia). Sheep sorrel may be under your feet. Often very common dependent on where you are. I pick it wild for salads. Where are you? Happy to send some - if I can. T2.   [End]
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21- 50 what a journey! Well done for getting this far. And even better ”done” trying to sort out what is what and your reading. That is impressive in itself. As GG says a complex case. This may be more fog but a couple of thoughts: Your comments re B group ring true. But I might look elsewhere: Your nutrition may be poorly supported particularly in light of potatoe, fruit and milk chicken meat relative to your vegetable context/content in the diet. Perhaps a degree of underlying inflammation affecting both detox and nutrient absorption. Although your greens intake looks ...
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Agreed with BB and Incharge, sort your refeeding properly and don’t over eat. T2   [End]
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Yes no F tooth paste here. I use bar soap instead and H2O2 (FG diluted to 3% solution) mouth wash. T2   [End]
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BB ”this” refers to? T2   [End]
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Interesting Question JBoachie, My two cents worth. I don’t know anything about TMAU2. So let me comment on this in another way. Fasting will not make your gut sterile. However fasting usually allows you to reset your digestive system. How each of the micro-organisms that are good for you and those that are bad for you behave during a fast is not known. Many of them can live in the gut wall and probably go back there during a fast. Many of the unwelcome fellows appear to have a tough time during a fast. Post fast if your refeeding is well planned it is probable that you will ...
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Well done getting to day six and, very well done, thinking now about the all important refeeding. 28 days is a good target but don’t lock yourself into a fixed time, run with the fast instead. Rest well. For many the re-feed is the most difficult part of fasting. Many old posts here attest to that. Start doing a search here - there are many posts about this issue and solving it. Do you have understanding support who are happy to help during this stage? Good support is helpful during re-feeding. There are many benefits from fasting. Assuming that all will vanish from ...
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Yep a healing crisis. Try using warm water, that should ease the issues you are describing. Leave Ibuprofen and enema alone. Stay the course, be patient and restful. Think out the new discipline and diet. T2   [End]
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I had wondered what happened to WY. Sad to read this. Hope everything is better for you WY. T2   [End]
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Okay UV, let’s lay that aside for a moment. My question had different purpose. I have no immediate issue with what you have posted - its the background and expression which concerns me. What these sentiments say about human sense, sensibilities and outlook is where I want to go. To illustrate: if you examine this thread http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=2152630 What strikes me is that lack of the personally reflective in many of the posts. As noble as many of the sentiments are, there is little real consideration given to the ”holder of the eyes”, I, me. Little consideration ...
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Some of the sublingual forms of B12 come in squeeze bottles. A squirt up the nose solved all. Haven’t completed an assessment of what is available.   [End]
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UV A quote and question: What you have beautifully considered here applies on many levels. Consider this left field quote, totally unrelated - from the world of pure mathematics, from here: (Where Stands Functoriality Today? Robert P. Langlands) ””My own mathematical experience and observation strongly suggest that progress is almost always the result of sustained awareness of the principal issues supplemented by some specific, concrete insight: begged, borrowed, or stolen or, happiest of all, distilled in one’s own alembic. I offer no insights.”” As always the way of the hum ...
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Yep a charmer. Lovely to see. Reminds me, years ago I saw a 9yr old Papageno charm everyone, - including Papagena, in magical performance of Mozart’s Magic Flute in an all children cast. The puzzle for me is that more parents don’t see that children at this age (pre-puberty) are so capable. That capability can make teenage years easier provided the kids are taught responsibilty and ”about” puberty when the lesson is most easily learnt - that is pre-puberty. Show youngsters the world but do it with support. Youngsters can fly if allowed to do so. There is a joke here which ...
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Hello Ferventer, B12 absorption appears to be the major issue. There is an extensive discussion here of why and the possible solutions. ” Make your own B-12 intra-nasal supplement. It is cheap, easy and best done behind closed doors. Obtain your doctor’s OK before trying this procedure. Take any B-12 tablet (between 100 to 1,000 mcg) and grind it into a powder between two tablespoons. Add water, just a few drops at a time, to make a soft paste. With a “Q-Tip,” its generic equivalent, or your clean pinkie finger, gently swab the paste inside your nose up to a comfortable level. D ...
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Hello Blueraven, Peptaises two sources: eating Natto, and Serrapeptaise. Many links can be found for these two. Great you are onto the inflammation issues/causes. Low electrolytes: Reading here may help your understandings. towards the end of this thread are a number of posts on Electrolytes. http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1134158 This may also help. http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=955983 Hows the fasting going now or have you stopped and started re-feeding? Good luck with it all. T2   [End]
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I am confused by your replies. Sorry - I have no Norwegian. I assume this is the orginal passage ”UBRUKT KUNNSKAP er unyttig kunnskap.” which google translates to ”UNUSED KNOWLEDGE is useless knowledge”. ”Unused information is useless information”. To my mind that is wrong, indeed, badly so. Which is why I replied. If you think ”Unused information is useless information” is correct please explain. Either I am missing something here or you are missing my point: As I read your examples they all illustrate that unused information by the government or the ”masses” (h ...
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Two weeks at 2 degrees suited this beast others will be different. Depends on species, time of year, animals age/condition, season. A little experience goes a long way - when dressing the animal out I work out how long to hang and how to ”cook” it. I should add that I don’t eat a lot of meat - just the occasional local most of my life. Knowing where the best fat is at any time of the year is luxury. T2   [End]
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This may increase your understandings of dog diets. http://www.malcolmbeck.com/articles/PAUNCH-MANURE.htm   [End]
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3 degrees C in Coolroom. Fridge not much good for that same purpose. Can you get a piece of real fresh meat and hang it properly from the start?   [End]
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Sorry GG, this is weak dispite an underlying central strength. The strength being that the more profoundly integrated knowledge is the better off we may be. However the article is an ”anti-science” rant. No better then the outlook it criticises. (I assume the translation is satisfactory.) Article quote: ”Unused knowledge is useless knowledge” (end-quote) is nonsense. Do you, I or anyone else have the right to consider we know what is useless for others? Knowledge may not be understood or assimilated for a considerable period of time. To dismiss it because it has no use sings ou ...
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Hey Grizz what’s wrong with your cooking? Live on wild meats here. Raw and cooked. The ”cooking” issue is usually the hanging period. Or are you so used to cake that the real stuff don’t get a look in? Just cut up a red deer last night after hanging it for two weeks. Sirloin afterwards with fresh wild salad and steamed typha stems. Just very difficult to eat - Ah well - Someone has got to do it. (For those who are puzzled that is typical Australian irony. Real meaning: The meal with sirloin was delicious. The guests hadn’t tasted the likes before. More Aus Englis ...
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Sorry poor editing on my part. Re-organisation rather than re-roganisation is what I should have written. I cleaned out my arteries using a number of fasts, both dry and water, regular use of iodine and peptaises. The other side of reducing ongoing arterial damage is by reducing your inflammatory influences. These can take a while to understand: pulse tests can help, researching probable influences and careful diet examination including amounts. T2   [End]
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Hello Blue raven, Yep fasting for 14 days would certainly increase the effectiveness of the fast to decrease arterial plaque. Fasting worked well for me to do just that. Electrolyte balance: If your diet was excellent before the fast I would tend to conclude that you were okay and consequently your electrolyte balance should be fine. The weakness you describe is a common ”complaint” that sort of weakness is not something that would stop me fasting and in itself isn’t a sign of electrolyte imbalance. There are a number of posts here concerning electrolyte balance and sympt ...
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Most can’t take the truth, including ourselves - often. Most need truth safe for consumption, ourselves included. Most prefer their own fantasy to truth. Myself included. Most are more interested in maintenance of their self and public images than considering each day anew. To see the familiar anew is a good start. Stripping away the layers: personal, private, one’s conception of our individual privilege or pain. Vanity everywhere. AND, Yes after some time vanity taught me doing too much to self is to deny yourself too much in this world for most to comprehend. Asked to l ...
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Too easy? Keep V’s ears on the job: Pings and Clicking. May be too loose already. Any polished surfaces on the old cups or yokes? Good spare in the shed? Beating them out is not smart. V force is it. T2.   [End]
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What a treat chiron, thanks. I don’t know this one. I enjoy the big mental picture Edward Purinton carries within his writing and the combination of humour, philosophy, and earthly connection. A delight thanks. Looking forward to the full read with a little time. No progress on RBTI to report. Hope you are well and thanks for all. T2   [End]
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Also consider any good bar soap and dilute food grade H2O2 diluted to 3% solution, as a mouth rinse. Oil pulling also as you are evidently aware. T2   [End]
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Thanks V - another great link. ””In everything you do, be mindful of what is happening in your mind. By being constantly present and aware that you are feeling, thinking, and acting in a way that helps others.”” http://wakeup-world.com/2014/02/03/13-practices-of-an-awakened-person/ Vanity deludes each of us with thinking we can know all things. Not possible. I think of something I know almost nothing about. All of you for example. Oh to know my smallness. T2   [End]
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Weight loss will be an individual response. Post fast weight gain the same. Water fasting for weight loss is okay to a point but the best advice for weight loss/control is a good diet/lifestyle. A good diet will make fasting easier, more beneficial and produce lasting benefits. Sort the diet first if possible. If you need to fast now then plan the fast well: Good preparation, a supporting fasting environment, a system to manage your re-feeding situation and the capacity to continue a good diet. There is a ”fasting for weight loss” forum here which may have different response ...
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Yep tough issue. Poignant line, ”how authentic these faces are”, from the film. China has gone from fascinating to boring in twenty years. Much of the old agricultural systems gone and with that its intimate relationship to landscape. Beauty gone. Reminds me of these fine lines from the introduction of book by Patience Grey. ”Honey from a Weed” ISBN 0-333-45504-5 ””Living in the wild, it has often seemed that we were living on the margins of literacy. This led to reading the landscape and learning from people, that is to first hand experience. This experience is both ...
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Rebounding is recommended to help with lymph movement. Not long ~ 5 ins or so. Do recognise Resting plays a fundamental role in the fast repair process. Exercise has been much debated here. My dime’s worth: Exercise amounts etc depend on your health and your fasting history. On my first fast I could do very little exercise. After a short fasting history I can’t stop myself. Very rarely do I slow down during a fast these days. Some appear to need all the rest they can get, others exercise moderately, and others keep their regular regimes. T2   [End]
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Ms Tara, What you are experiencing and describing is common enough. I almost say don’t worry about it. Do worry but don’t cut yourself up about the relapse. Not a big issue: belly, discomfort and all. Re-feeding is the toughest part of a fast and calls for more self-discipline than the fast. It really is a settle yourself down moment. If you can handle it correctly from now you will loose few of the fasting benefits. Possible ideas for food control: Do you have sympathetic support? Can you keep them engaged and supportive of your situation? Can you ask them to hel ...
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Thanks Southern Belle - Nice comment. Steel magnolias live well north of where I am. It is best that I ban myself. I find communicating on curezone very difficult. All the best for each of you. T2.   [End]
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GG keeping quite was intended as a joke. No respect or ill intent here. Same for Vulcanel, I have no conflict there. Thanks for your comments. T2   [End]
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Okay lots to pick up. Thanks for that and the energy implicit. (Vulcanel, Be straight with me anytime. That is welcome. Never a need to apologise. I’ll be the same. There’s a joker here. Although we speak the same language don’t assume we understand each other. I’m guessing you to be Southern USA, I’m rural inland Australia. Whenever I’ve met Southerners I have a devil’s own time just communicating let alone trying to understanding each other. Keep a mind out for laughs - there’ll be plenty.) Agreed with dilute, dilute. I go further and always take all these supps with natu ...
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GG your quote: ”” maybe best approach to a detox or healing is to stabilize the four main electrolytes, magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium; before one start a protocol. Then the detox symptoms may be reduced to a minimum.”” My thought too. Which led to this question: ”How does one know if the four main electrolytes are balanced?”” As partially mentioned before both this site and the Charles Wright site are very impressive. Thanks for the links/info. T2   [End]
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Vulcanel Thanks for that link. Most informative. That has got me to where I wanted to be. Cheers T2.   [End]
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Yes, thanks for that, similar attitude here. What form/s and amounts of Potassium are you using? ie 9.4 grams KCL or perhaps 9.4 grams elemental K in K gluconate? or K citrate etc etc Cheers T2   [End]
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Vulcanel You mentioned using Potassium supplementation. What are you actually doing? Thanks T2.   [End]
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Your name and photo always gave me a laugh. Thanks. Well done on the running. Body waking temp too low can mean low iodine. Do a read/hunt about in the iodine supplementation forum. T2   [End]
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I think the usual type attitudes would work fine: If your can spread your refeeding over a similar duration to your fast that is ideal. If you have to do it quicker then still try to stage the usual stepped addition pattern: Fruit juices then vegetable juices, followed by vegetable broths/soups. If you are using meat then bone broths etc and slowly introduce the carb like sources. Yoghurt and kefir I add later rather than early because that works best for me. Others add these milk type products earlier. I wouldn’t go too hard on reducing your fat sources. Good fats are important ...
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The double post was un-intended. Two double strength short blacks on the way. The Roasting? -- I’ll leave that here, at Mt Olympus. A little aperitif: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjRvaPPH_0A Quietly,.... bow and leave....   [End]
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I’m sorry to hear of your battle. For me fasting doesn’t have this additional load. I wonder do you have a similar anxiety during your non fasting life?   [End]
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Please slow down. Can I assume one quote is that all you have read? The reason I quoted Reams’s name was to describe an approach. Namely: Perhaps monitoring systems are an important part of health fine tuning (amongst a forest of other issues). Should I have mentioned Dr Paul Eck instead? Or anyone else you may have considered who has developed this idea? ”This Reams fellow” is worth attention. A common reason for dismissing what Reams says is because of a miss-apprehension of what the above quote actually means. I’ll leave that detail to your research abilities. Reams was ...
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Please slow down. Can I assume one quote is that all you have read? The reason I quoted Reams’s name was to describe an approach. Namely: Perhaps monitoring systems are an important part of health fine tuning. Should I have mentioned Dr Paul Eck instead? Or anyone else you may have considered to develop this idea? ”This” Reams fellow is worth more attention. Most people dismiss what Reams says because of a miss-apprehension of what the above quote actually means. I’ll leave that detail to your research abilities. The point I wanted to make is: WHEN FINE TUNINGcomprehensi ...
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I decided to cross post this from here: http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=2144689. NO not an act of vanity! Rather an attempt to try to develop a cohesive and comprehensive attitude to all this. Hello ferventer this is huge: ””I think we each have a responsibility to ourselves to do more than just follow the hype and recommendation of others but to actually learn about the relationships these nutrients have to each other and how supplementing them may affect us, good, bad or otherwise.”” Yep agreed. BUT this is a monster. So many issues to consider. Individual r ...
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Hello ferventer this is huge: ””I think we each have a responsibility to ourselves to do more than just follow the hype and recommendation of others but to actually learn about the relationships these nutrients have to each other and how supplementing them may affect us, good, bad or otherwise.”” Yep agreed. BUT this is a monster. So many issues to consider. Individual response, sources and responses, evaluations, role of nutrient dense foods, environmental factors etc etc Some have looked at this. Does anyone have a considered and reasoned views? Should we try to set a f ...
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