Are Digestive Enzymes making me wors... 
gibby
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I had GREAT digestion before my ND put me on loads of digestive enzymes. I took 2 different kinds, with food, and without food. I tried to stop them, and I felt worse then ever. Now back on them, and really notice everything is worse. He said my gut needs to heal (when I never even noticed a problem) so I took them. Now, a few months later, my digetion is getting worse, and I'm afraid they have made me worse. He told me you will still produce the necessary enzymes when you stop, anotherwords, you body will keep working it's own enzymes when you stop. But I feel I'm worse now. Something strange is going on. I took a gut permeable test last week. Maybe I have leaky gut.? Seems my digestion has really gone downhill lately.
I feel full, like food just sits in my stomach, undigested. (No dairy for me)
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- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... jameskep37
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Digestive enzymes work for some people but never did anything for me. I also have heard that stomach acid might be able to neutralize them.. Well according to bee wilder's website. Hcl caps/Bile Salts and bitters seem to help much better.
- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... helmax
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Greetings. I believe that the enzymes you're taking could very well be making you worse. One of the things that the enzyme cellulase is constructed of is glucose. This being true, the breakdown byproducts of some enzymes like cellulase are sugars that presumably could feed the Candida. I've heard many others talk of taking extra enzymes for Candida, some with food as well as in-between meals. After weeks of this, they find that they're experiencing die-off symptoms off and on, yet the Candida reactions they were having seemed to be worse at times than others. They would never really see a steady improvement. Using certain herbs can stimulate the body's mechanism which releases digestive enzymes, and believe it or not, when this is done naturally by our bodies, the enzymes that are produced do not include cellulase. One of the herbs which will help your body to produce it's own enzymes is something called Bitter Grape. Good luck, Max
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- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... gibby
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This is a reply to # 1,820,081can you suggest a good brand? It seems this is a liquid, not a capsule..
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- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... TonyOrlando
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This is a reply to # 1,820,003Why the heck did he put you on enzymes if your digestion was great? I don't understand. Did your ND test your pancreatic output?
The symptom you're describing now, like food is just sitting in your stomach, is typical of low gastric acid. I agree with Jameskept that you should try HCL for that. On the flipside, digestive enzymes will not cause low gastric acid, nor will they help you produce more. And gastric acid doesn't break down enzymes. It works with them to break down food.
They way digestive enzymes help in dysbiosis is by making nutrients easier to absorb in the small bowel, and keeping those nutrients out of the colon where they can feed unfriendly bacteria and yeasts.
Enzymes are a great tool in dealing with dysbiosis and other health issues, but need to be used strategically. Systemic enzymes, the kind you take between meals, can be used to break down protein or fibrin build ups, break up small bowel biofilms, kill bacteria or yeast, depending on the content of the product, so it helps if you have a plan.
Also, cellulase is not a sugar. Used with other enzymes between meals, it breaks down cellulose in yeast cell walls to beta-glucose which is a simple sugar, but the quantities are tiny and there is competition for that glucose between other remaining bacteria, yeasts, and you.
The main argument against cellulase that I can come up with is that, taken with a meal, the cellulase will convert (to glucose) indigestible cellulose in plant matter that would otherwise be fermented by (feed) colonic bacteria. So if you were eating cellulose containing food as a prebiotic and taking cellulase, that would be working at cross purposes.
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- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... cora
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This is a reply to # 1,820,003Most digestive enzymes will eventually decrease your body's own ability to produce them, which is ultimately what you want/need. Above posters who've mentioned cellulose, sugar, etc. are correct.
Might want to review some of Hv's related posts. Here's one:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1599149#i
The only enzymes I use are bromelain papain, serrapeptase, seaprose, and nattokinase.- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... gibby
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This is a reply to # 1,820,139According to his Asyra machine (high tech newest and greatest biofeedback machine, which tests for everything under the sun in your body, by measuring blocked energy as a tool to assess sensitivities, allergy's, chemical sensitivities, parasites, metals, major organs, and whatever, it will pick it up in your body. But I am overwhelmed by it. It's just to much to deal with) Plus, I don't know to trust it. I have gone to him for a while, but think I need to see some real science. He said I'm "highly toxic" amongst all the stuff that's wrong with me. My gut is very toxic he said. So he tests me every time, and I am supposed to take these enzymes, among 10,000 other supplements that drive me crazy. I am also on IgG2000. I also take nattokinase with the Protease formula 416 was for in between meals. I've sort of backed off of those though, just trying to sort this out. I have been taking the general ones with meals because my stomach has gotten so sensitive. I am to the point that I am tired of being assessed by that machine, and want some real testing done. I went to my old doctor who gave me the gut permeable test, plus a ton of blood work. I'm thinking to do another stool test now as well.
- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... helmax
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Gib, you are the only one who knows how your body feels and reacts to the various meds, etc. you've been given.
I've always believed that the best path is to go with your body and heart, follow your own intuition. - Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... TonyOrlando
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I think the CDSA will be helpful. I don't trust those sort of machines. I try and stick with the hard Science and my own experience/intuition as closely as possible. It's interesting to try that stuff, and it may be right that your gut is toxic, but I would want some better evidence.
Some people are sensitive to proteases, so your intuition about that product may be correct. Sensitive people often do better with Papain/Bromelain.
Personally, I try not to develop beliefs about what is wrong with me, or what I need to fix it. I go with the best evidence I can find, scientific tests, research, studies, etc. and avoid opinion, or anything related to marketing.
But as complex as we are, there's always the potential for something that should work to not work or have unintended effects. Sometimes it helps to simplify your regimen to get a better handle on causes and effects.
Also, make sure you're not overeating. I find that is the only time I have reflux/indigestion issues.
Let us know when you get the CDSA and maybe we can help you interpret.
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- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... jameskep37
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Serrapeptase seems to be working..for now at least. It seems to help my congestion and give me a little energy in the morning. I take 2 capsules on a empty stomach.
- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... TonyOrlando
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This is a reply to # 1,820,199Cool. That should be helping with the biofilms too. Are you still getting good die off?
How did the lufenurenema go?
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I had GREAT digestion before my ND put me on loads of digestive enzymes. I took 2 different kinds, with food, and without food. I tried to stop them, and I felt worse then ever. Now back on them, and really notice everything is worse. He said my gut needs to heal (when I never even noticed a problem) so I took them. Now, a few months later, my digetion is getting worse, and I'm afraid they have made me worse. He told me you will still produce the necessary enzymes when you stop, anotherwords, you body will keep working it's own enzymes when you stop. But I feel I'm worse now. Something strange is going on. I took a gut permeable test last week. Maybe I have leaky gut.? Seems my digestion has really gone downhill lately.
I feel full, like food just sits in my stomach, undigested. (No dairy for me)Taking supplemental enzymes causes the body to shut down its own production of those enzymes. So this is going to be allor part of the problem.
Another issue though is that many of the enzyme supplments on the market add cellulase and hemicellulase. These can make Candida worse:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1599149#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1743708#i
- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... jameskep37
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I will post my results with lufenuron after my colonic tomorrow. I had die-off all 5 days. Lufenuron enema seemed to work i mixed it with a little sugar and held it for 20 min. Coconut kefir enema has stonger die-off than the lufenuron enema.
- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... gibby
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- Re: Are Digestive Enzymes making me ... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,820,519It's a test offered by varous labs such as doctors data, genova etc.
It's called 'comprehensive digestive stool analysis' and uses poop metabolites to assess absorption, digestion, pH etc.
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