Not Doc or Pioneer, but yes, you can take eight tablespoons of his adult dewormer. When I upped the doseage with the adult dewormer, I got another round of lots and lots of stuff. I had done about a year and a half of flushing (averaging one a week) and I had stayed with four tablespoons aday. Then, I got the adult dewomer and went up to six to eight tablespoons, which unlleased another round of die off. I am at year twoand three months of killing bugs. So go for it and get them gone! This works, just slowly.