blueduck that was a great post. it is typical simple, but it never came to mind that you could flush the toilet with the collander in it. i had given up on that procedure because it was such a pain to clean it. simple things mean a lot!!! tracey i added your name because may be you could put that info in your file for new people. you seem to be so well organized!!? thank you all for all the work you do. johanna