Re: Ashwagandha or Maca?

Unyquity,

Yes, you did contradict yourself and I showed you numerous examples. Denial on your part is not going to change the fact that you did contradict yourself. You say that you like to use herbs as nature made them and do not like isolates. Yet you promote doctors and healers that use isolates and synthetics. And you alter the herbs by making teas and tinctures. Not to mention that you are not going to find distilled water in nature unless as I pointed out you are sucking clouds with a straw.

You also assume I have a different outlook than you do on healing. Again, an incorrect assumption on your part. My primary focus is also on herbs, but as nature made them. Not extracted in any form including teas and tinctures that can alter the plant. I RARELY recommend any herbal extract. There are times though that they are necessary. Just like I don't like doctors but there are times where they are the best choice. Assuming that there is only one answer, such as herbs in their natural state, is not only dumb, but also very dangerous. If I know someone with advanced liver cancer given a week to live I am not going to rely on chaparral or echinacea in any form. I am going to be recommending ozone because it is the safest and most effective cancer treatment available.

>The "effect" I want is the one of the natural substance in >a natural body...I do not believe in "manipulating a >substance" (changing the natural 'ingredients' in a >natural substance to achieve an 'effect'. That's what >"science" has been doing for decades; it doesn't appear to >me that it works.

Apparently you have not looked very hard. I gave you very good examples where herbs must be altered to achieve a safe and desirable effect. For example the Chinese foxglove, chaparral, comfrey...... Apparently you are so close minded that you are going to ignore all facts to hold on tightly to your false beliefs.

>Chaparral has been used to cure cancer & alleviate tumors >for centuries. :::sigh::

Yep, and it was altered through aging to render it safe (BIG SIGH!!!)

By the way, you are the one that is wrong about the comfrey. There are documented cases of hepatotoxicity from FRESH comfrey in the medical journals. Problem cleared up when they stopped ingestion of the comfrey. And it was found that no hepatotoxicity was formed when the plant was aged to destroy the toxic alkaloids. You really need to do your homework before making your wild claims!

Yes, there are alcohol based tinctures, but any good herbalist knows that the herb is extracted in water first, NOT alcohol. Some alcohol is then added later as a preservative. You mean you did not learn that in your Fun with Dick and Jane Herb Book?!!!

By the way, alternation of herbs is alteration of herbs. It does not matter if it is done in a lab or at a home. In other words if they are altered they ARE NOT in the form produced by nature. So again you are contradicting yourself with your "I believe in natural healing" claim.

>I already told you, the "science" on both sides of distilled water is equally compelling.

And again, where are you getting distilled water in nature since you only use things as nature made them? See your contradiction yet?

>You don't seem to have read as much as I have about some of these healers ??? Or maybe you did, but INTERPRETED
>through different lenses.

Ah, there is the problem. They never actually said that, you just "interpreted" what you wanted to hear. Ok, that explains that.

Proof that the Hoxsey Formula came from Cayce? And I am not talking about someone's heresay claim, but actual proof. I have studies Hoxsey for a long time and this is the first time I have heard this wild claim.

>But you didn't seem to know that (above).

Anyone can make a claim, false or not. Let's see some real proof of the claim.

>Yet in just my experience alone, his methodology and >formulations are curing two people of cancer and one of >Muscular Dystrophy. I'll take that kind of "old school" - >he cured people of AIDS & ALS. I don't know of any >"modern" healers that can say that - perhaps a few with >AIDS, but ALS?

None of those are that hard to cure. Even ALS, which is a viral induced autoimmune disorder. Not really different from treating MS, which is also viral autoimmune, and is not hard to treat.

>You say they are mistakes, but the thousands of healed people view them as healing.

Misleading and unproven They could have healed 10,000 people from bug bites and bruises and you could still make this claim that they healed 10,000 people. Where are the records of these people healed? What other therapies were they using at the same time? What changes in their diet did they make?

>If the cathartic herbs you mentioned did indeed cause >problems, the full protocols they suggested seem to have >counteracted them entirely & effectively.

Another unfounded claim. Did you talk to their clients and ask them if they developed a laxative dependence. Or are you just assuming again?

>It seems you >like to "isolate" EVERYthing.

Another assumption on your part. First of all I RARELY use isolates. Secondly I don't use any of those herbs for healing due to this problem. There are much safer choices, which is why you need to get out of the dark ages with herbology and get up to speed in modern times!

>I do not subscribe to the use of isolates.

In your opinion. An isolate does not have to be one compound. To isolate is to remove from others. In other words the tinctures you make are isolates as you separate some beneficial compounds from other beneficial compounds, like fiber. So where in nature do you find your tinctures. After all you only use things as nature made them? You even isolate the water from the minerals rather than to drink it as nature provided it to you. Oops, I guess you just contradicted yourself again!

>Kelley also claims that we all have cancer. What a load of BS!!! He's certainly NOT the only healer that says that.

And that makes it the truth?!!! Oh my I guess chemotherapy must be the best thing since sliced bread since so many doctors say that it is? Are you really that gullible?!!! That myth is so easily DISPROVED. Consider David "the bubble boy" who was born without an immune system If he had cancer cells as you are claiming we all do then he would have been dead within a week. The same would apply to anyone with immune suppression from any reason. Since you also don't believe in cancer viruses then you ought to research what David died from. He developed B cell lymphoma from Epstein Barre Virus that he got from a bone marrow transplant from his sister. Again, get out of the dark ages and catch up to current knowledge on diseases and disorders.

>Wrongo! You don't KNOW my ideology

LOL!!!! You have said it over and over. You DO NOT believe in isolates and you only believe in using herbs as nature made them for us. Of course your replies have show a totally contradictory presentation. I guess I will never know where you find your distilled water, hot herbal teas, and alcohol based tinctures out in nature just as nature provided them to you, ROTFLMAO!!!

Not to mention you started this whole mess by jumping all over me for recommending ALA and chromium. Yet you think these doctors utilizing isolates are just so wonderful. Maybe you were just suffering from PMS the day I posted and felt like attacking someone for no reason. OK, if that is the case I can forgive you. If that is not the case then you are also a major hypocrite!

>By the way, my mother-in-law was cured of Stage IV terminal liver cancer by attending the underground clinics >of Kelley - so I'm QUITE familiar with his methodology. And she spent some time at Gerson, and worked directly with >Charlotte (for 2-3 years, if I'm not mistaken). And I also know that Gerson/Kelley adjusted their protocols for >each person (Kelley far more than Gerson).

So how do you know it was not Gerson that got rid of the cancer and not Kelley? Maybe both worked in conjunction with each other because neither would work alone. Who knows. And how long has she been cancer free? Do you know what the return rate is for cancer? A lot of that has to do with the fact that many therapies do not address cancer microbes.

By the way, I never said Kelly's protocol would not work. What I was pointing out was your hypocrisy. Again, you jumped all over me for recommending a couple of effective supplements because they were isolates. And of course you think that you only use things as nature provided them. Yet Kelly uses all sorts of isolates and you think he is wonderful.

>I'm wondering, how many people have you actually healed with all your knowledge?

I lost count a long, long time ago. I was 14 years old when I saved my first life. But it is not a numbers game to me. It should not be matter if I cure 1 or a million. I prefer to focus on the curing, not the notoriety, not the scorecard, not the ego stroking......

>Care to share the quantity and quality of the horsetail ingested by those that were affected adversely?

I remember the quantity. She said she had drunk two cups of tea. Although this is really rather irrelevant. What is a safe dose for one person is way different than what is safe for someone else. People with arterioslclerosis, Sugar diabetes, Raynaud's disease or phenomena, congestive heart failure, high blood pressure, that smoke, are on the patch, or that are taking other vasoconstrictive drugs, such as NSAIDs are going to be at a much higher risk. Again, bamboo is better not only because it is higher in silica, but also because it is a vasodilator. This is why it is important to keep an open mind and to keep up to date on herbs. Remember that people also used to think the earth was flat, that washing hands spread disease, and that tomatoes were poisonous. Luckily we have learned and moved forward rather than holding on to old outdated ideas.

>Also please, describe full their physical state, diet, >condtion of their heart and whether or not the herb was >organic, and how you came to associate their 'adverse >reaction' with the horsetail.

That was at least 15 years ago, so I am sorry if I cannot provide all the details. What I can tell you is that it was in a young and healthy woman taking it for her hair. As to why I know it was the horsetail. Let's see, she was perfectly healthy, she had never had the problem previously, and it occurred right after she consumed the tow cups of tea. To me that is pretty compelling evidence, especially with understanding the effects of nicotine on the body. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck it is a duck.

>Yet you consider Kelley a great healer even though he recommends colloidal minerals that have been known for a >long time to contain high levels of aluminum. Interesting!!! I never EVER said I subscribed to ALL of his >methodologies - assumption is not a good thing.

So are you going to jump all over him for using isolates as you did with me, as well as for recommending aluminum laden colloidal minerals? Or was I an exception?