I think you have made yourself very very clear almost to an annoying point, sir. So please do not use this particular discussion to be rude. It pulls away from the subject. I want to learn what others have to say. About your "natural cures" do not work. What the heck? Of course nature has cures. Nature's cures are God given cures. He NEVER gets it wrong. Only the human aspect results in mistakes. It is OUR JOB to do the homework, prove to Him that we really are trying hard and the answer will ALWAYS come !!! I have yet in the 30 years of using the Holistic (notice that this starts with the word"holi"or "holy" in other words) have I not been able to cure something that God has shown the way. So, if your on here to help, I apologize. If your on here for an angry sounding board then find another thread to do it on, please.